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That's interesting Pam

I wonder whether Rosina was the daughter of one of Dorcas's elder /younger siblings ( which could account for her living with Dorcas's mum , dad and brother in 1891) and when Dorcas and Charles married they took her in as we have no knowledge of an out of marriage birth for Dorcas but there was another baby born within the larger Simmonds/Nunney family in 1905 called Elizabeth Rosena

Dec 1905 Simmonds Elizabeth Rosena Westbury S. 6a 270

which is a bit of a name co-incidence isnt it.

I would love to know the answer so I guess when I can afford it I will have to apply for her birth certificate unless before then I can get one of the more direct members of her family to do it as I have my own family mysteries to finance and an appaulingly low income.

Thanks for all your help, its really been appreciated, if you think of anything else do let me know all the best - Rita

Birth Reference for Rosina NUNNEY

Maybe this is Rosina:

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Births Jun 1889 (>99%)
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Nunney Rosina Elizabeth Westbury S. 6a 250

Hi Pam and all

I found this in the 1911 census that could be my family

1911 census
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS CHARLES W M 1867 44 Westbury on Severn
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS DORCAS F 1867 44 Westbury on Severn
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ALFRED M 1897 14 Westbury on Severn
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ARTHER M 1902 9 Westbury on Severn
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ELSIE F 1905 6 Westbury on Severn
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS MAY F 1900 11 Westbury on Severn

but again no Albert or Fred and no sign of Rosina though if she was 12 in 1901 she would probably be doing her own thing by 1911.

I've been back through all this but couldnt find the birth reference you mentioned for her in the message you sent me Pam; am I looking in the wrong place??

Fred full name Frederick Aaron Simmonds was born in East Dene Gloucestershire on 26th November 1908 he died in Coventry on 22 Aug 1964. He married twice (I know the first wife passed away but I dont know anything else about her or her name) but his second wife was my spouses mum Winifred Irene Greaves.

My spouse remembers going to Cinderford with his parents to visit his dads family including his uncle Bert and his children while his sister remembers visiting grandma Simmonds who had an uncle Ron still living with her.

My spouses Grandfather was shown as William Charles Simmonds on Freds marriage cert and as Charles William Simmonds (where he was shown as a Collier) on Freds birth cert . He married Dorcas Nunney on Mar 27 1948 in Coventry.

I think the 1901 family of

Chad W Simmons 35 littledean
Dorcas Simmons 35
Rosina Simmons 12 abenhall
Alfd W Simmons 4 awre
Alice M Simmons 1cinderford

are probably correct

Since I have found an Alfred Williams and an Alice May in the family but I am not sure why the two younger brothers , Albert Henry and Frederick Aaron are not shown.

That's all the information I have so if you can fill in any of the gaps or solve any of the mysteries it would be great.

Thanks for your help - Rita

Rita - you also have a posting on Surname board with lots of information - probably a lot of it the same

This is Rosina on the 1891 census living with Dorcas's parents Frederick and Hannah:

1891 England Census
about Rosina E Nanny
Name: Rosina E Nanny
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name:
Gender: Female
Where born: Abenhall, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Abenhall
Ecclesiastical parish: Benhall
Town: Abenhall
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age

Frederick Nanny 52 Farm Labourer
Hannah Nanny 57
Arthur Nanny 27 Coal Miner
Rosina E Nanny 2

(Surname mistranscribed)

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2006; Folio 100; Page 7; GSU roll: 6097116.

Maybe a marriage for Rosina:



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Simmonds Rosina E Bridgland Strood 2a 1990
Bridgland Stephen H Simmonds Strood 2a 1990

Maybe this is Rosina:

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Nunney Rosina Elizabeth Westbury S. 6a 250

This is the only Albert on 1911 born around 1901 Gloucestershire

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Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District /

HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ALBERT M 1901 10 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

Takes us all time to learn how to use the site.

1911 census

This is the only Frederick Simmonds born about 1908 in Gloucestershire that comes up

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Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
INSTITUTION SIMMONDS FREDERICK M 1909 2 Gloucester Gloucestershire

He is in some kind of INSTITUTION

Sorry Pam and all for not getting back sooner I havent used this area of GR before and I hadnt realised this is where I had put the question till I got your message through the normally messaging system - sorry I am an idiot!

Thanks for all your help, you have extended what I know a little and filled in a few gaps which is wonderful.

I took a months subscription on Ancestry over Christmas and while I managed to get quite a bit of information about some of my family I was beginning to think a some of my our ancestors had a thing against census forms because I couldnt find anything about at least three branches of the family at all.

I am amazed at how quickly you guys have succedded where I failed! I still dont know where I went wrong but I am very grateful for your help.

Rosina Simmonds below is a mystery as I tried FreeBDM (thanks for that) but couldnt find a BDM record for her anywhere and as far as the family knew Charles ony had one wife Dorcas ( I asked and was told he had one wife and a number of brothers so perhaps there is a link elsewhere).

I am not sure about Chas and Ann on the 1881 census, that is the only census I currently have access to and mine shows him as a Cab driver when we thought the family were coal miners but I wont discount it yet since now we have the reference then when we can afford it we will get a copy of my spouses grand fathers marriage certificate since that will give us a better indication - so thanks for that.

The 1911 census is curious as well since it mentions family members we hadnt heard of but doesnt include my spouses dad Fred who was born in 1908 or Freds brother Bert (Albert )born 1901 both of whom my spouse clearly remembers in Cinderford so that needs further investigation.

All in all its very interesting and has given us somewhere to start - so once again thanks for everything - much appreciated Rita

A possibility for Charles...but his birth and marriage registration would confirm parentage.

1881 England Census
about Chas. Simmons
Name: Chas. Simmons
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Chas.
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Westbury, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Westbury On Trym
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: Oxford Cottages
Education:

Employment status:
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub registration district: Westbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Chas. Simmons 40
Ann Simmons 38
Hy. Simmons 17
Wm. Simmons 15
Chas. Simmons 12
Jane Simmons 10
Frank Simmons 5
Alfred Simmons 3


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2502; Folio: 38; Page: 28; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341603.

1881 England Census
about Dorcas Nunny
Name: Dorcas Nunny
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Frederich
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Female
Where born: Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Abinghall
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: Silver St
Education:

Employment status:
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Frederich Nunny 48
Hannah Nunny 47
Aurther Nunny 17
Dorcas Nunny 14
Alfred Nunny 11
Alice Nunny 7
John Pearce 37





Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2524; Folio: 36; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341609.

Despite the spelling I think this is Dorcas on the 1891 census

1891 England Census
about Dorcas Munny
Name: Dorcas Munny
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Abenhall, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Awre
Ecclesiastical parish: Blakeney
Town: Awre
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Shepperd 24
Dorcas Munny 25
Annie Morgan 32
Anne Tedvull 76

1911 census


Schedule type Last names First names Sex Birth year Age in 1911 District / other County / other Transcript Original page
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ALFRED M 1897 14 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ARTHER M 1902 9 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS CHARLES W M 1867 44 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS DORCAS F 1867 44 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS ELSIE F 1905 6 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
HOUSEHOLD SIMMONDS MAY F 1900 11 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire

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Simmonds Alfred William Westbury S. 6a 238

1901 England Census
about Dorcas Simmons
Name: Dorcas Simmons
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Chad W
Gender: Female
Where born: Abbenhall, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: East Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Cinderford
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address: Abbey Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub registration district: East Dean
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 235
Household Members: Name Age
Chad W Simmons 35 Coal Miner
Dorcas Simmons 35
Rosina Simmons 12 Daughter
Alfd W Simmons 4
Alice M Simmons 1





Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2420; Folio: 118; Page: 31.

You need to purchase the birth registration for Charles Simmonds as it will name his parents.

www.gro.gov.uk cost £7 with reference.

1901

Name: Chad W Simmons
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Dorcas
Gender: Male
Where born: Littledean, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: East Dean
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Cinderford
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Westbury on Severn
Sub registration district: East Dean
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 235
Household Members:
Name Age
Chad W Simmons 35 littledean
Dorcas Simmons 35
Rosina Simmons 12 abenhall
Alfd W Simmons 4 awre
Alice M Simmons 1cinderford

1871 England Census
about Dorcas Nunney
Name: Dorcas Nunney
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Fredrick
Mother's Name: Hanah
Gender: Female
Where born: Abinghall, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Abinghall
Ecclesiastical parish: Abinghall
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:
Registration district: Westbury On Severn
Sub registration district: Newnham
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Fredrick Nunney 37
Hanah Nunney 36
Arthur Nunney 7
Dorcas Nunney 4
Alfred Nunney 1
William Meek 25
William Sellard 22

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2601; Folio: 63; Page: 4; GSU roll: 835278.

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Nunney Dorcas Westbury S. 6a 231



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SIMMONDS Charles William Westbury S. 6a 222

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