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Hi Rambling Rose,
Thats a pity. I was just searching the Free BMD .There's a Catherine Anderson 1870 Gateshead age 82 death , which makes it right for year of birth. but its not on NBI. Will have to work out where she was before I send for another cert !

this is the full list, but I have just noticed (oops) that there is a Thomas Anderson listed also! and they are married so it is sadly not her!

1851 England Census
about Catharine Anderson
Name: Catharine Anderson
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Newburn, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: Sunderland Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Susannah McNeil 61
Robert H Dixon 35
John Wright 39
John Laing 67
Ann Turnbull 19
Elizabeth Askew 21
Elizabeth Wilson 41
Turner Welson 5
Thomas Elliott 68
James Waters 49
Elizabeth Tulip 46
Jane Barlow 65
William Turnbull 1
Elizabeth Reynolds 26
Hannah Moon 67
Hannah Hewison 59
George Goldsmith 64
Jane Lymons 12
Catharine Glancey 19
Robert Steel 9
Elizabeth James 58
Ann Clark 14
Mary Haswell 23
John C Blackburn 9
Margaret Atkinson 16
Alice Patterson 24
Elizabeth A Patterson 2 Mo
Jane Fenwick 70
Thomas S Anderson 66
Catharine Anderson 66
Patrick Fannan 11
Patrick Fannan 11
Mary Fannan 9
James Fannan 6
Peter Fannan 4
Elizabeth Turnbull 50
Elizabeth Turnbull 19
Mary A Turnbull 8
Joseph Robinson 51
Thomas Timpson 11
Mary Timpson 13
Cuthbert Card 11
John Card 8
Charles Hughs 12
Catherine 7
Robert Smith 51
John D Watson 30
Jane Turnbull 12
Jane Scotland 42
Helen Wilson 7
Eleanor Hollis 13
Thomas Manahan 57
Ellen M Mahon 79
Louisa Smith 22
Joseph Smith 2
Ann Jackson 53
Margaret M Mann 22
Ann Wake 43
William J Kennedy 9
John Sedgwick 34
William Waldock 27
Mary Jenkinson 34
Sarah Jenkinson 5
Ann Jenkinson 3
Mary Fletcher 56
John Mc Ginnis 68
Susan Hughes 15
Jane Davis 81
Benjamine McDonald 34
Thomas Davis 64
Alice Davis 14
Thomas Davis 12
Caroline Davis 8
Charles M Ginn 34
James Groves 46
William Thomas 37
Thomas Brown 56
Patrick Connor 35
Thomas Connor 6
Ann Thompson 35
John Thompson 1
Patrick Thompson 1 Mo
Margaret McMann 1
George F Parker 24
Mary McGrary 16
Mary A Brannan 23
Sarah Brannan 3
Thomas Brannan 1
John Brannan 1 Mo
Catharine Scanlan 51
Elizabeth Mitchinson 21
Margaret Davidson 27
Mary Hall 34
Elizabeth Reay 19
John Donnally 20
Patrick Laney 17

Hi Rambling Rose,
Thats great. Is there a listing detailing the inmates for the Sunderland Workhouse? It doesn't state whether she was a widow.Wonder how long she was there. I was looking up about the Newburn Parish ,& see that there was a cholera epidemic in 1832 which killed 66 people.

ah right well now you mention Newburn this is the one in the workhouse I mentioned the age is a bit out but then they often are!

The 1851 Census

1851 England Census
about Catharine Anderson
Name: Catharine Anderson
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Female
Where born: Newburn, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Bishopwearmouth
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Sunderland
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Sunderland
Sub registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: Sunderland Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1

Hi Rambling Rose,
No that isn't the death.That Catharine is only 14mths old according to NBI

Hi Rambling Rose,
yes this could be her. Does she show up any later.
PS also got her details from Tynemouth Strays, relating to their son's birth.Gives her as native of Newburn Parish.

in which case , might this be her death?
Deaths Jun 1855 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anderson Catharine Tynemouth 10b 94

or am I getting confused lol!

rose x

this could be her on the 1841 for All Saints?

1841 England Census
about Catharine Anderson
Name: Catharine Anderson
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Gender: Female

Civil Parish: All Saints
Hundred: Tindale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub registration district: All Saints
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Henderson 15
Catharine Anderson 50
Isabella Wilson 55
Jane Weatheritt 20
Elizh Johnson 20

Hi Rambling Rose,
I got the details from the Diocese of Durham records for the license for marriage entry.John is of age 21 & above, as is Catharine NESBIT. A witne4ss was Johnathan Scott, a yeoman of same area ( All Saints,Newcastle, County of Newcastle upon Tyne & Diocese of Durham..
The paper shows they were Sworn on the Holy Evangelists.

Jane , is it from the church records you have the date of John and Catharine's marriage? if so what was her maiden name do you know.... it might just help to know it in case she was staying with a relative on census night ?

Rose x

Hi Kath,
Don't see the 1848 death on NBI. I'll see what else I can find on this date. If it is her she should show up in 1841 census somewhere. Amazing that people could marry at such a young age as late as 1927 ! John Anderson was a Mariner so doubt he'd have been that young. Thanks again

I don't think you can rely on ages at death always being correct. I have much more recent death certificates where the age at death is anything up to 5 years out. It all depends on the informant's knowledge and people didn't place so much emphasise on birthdays in those days.

The age for marriage right up until 1927 was 12 for girls and 14 for boys with parental consent (although very few would marry at this age).

Kath. x

Hi Somerset Girl,
Thanks for the lookup but not sure if these are the right ones. John the son was born in 1811 & married Frances . Have all census on his family in Middlesex. I'll follow up on the 1848 death.

Hi again Kath, have just looked on NBI & age is given as 41yrs, of Longbenton. This would make her only 11 when her son was born, & she is of full age on marriage license. I'm wondering now if people were allowed to marry at an earlier age then ? & if ages have been correctly given ?

Thanks Kath, its worth checking.

How about this one (no age at death given)and wrong spelling of name but you never know:-

Name: Catherine Anderson
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Tynemouth
County: Northumberland
Volume: 25
Page: 291

Kath. x

Please can someone help in finding the death of Catharine Anderson, born 1788 Newburn Parish,Newcastle, married John Anderson, of Hanover, at All Saints Newcastle on Tyne in 1811, had son John George 1811.
I sent for what I believed to be her death certificate ( in the hope of learning whether John was still alive) but it was wrong one , it showed her to be widow of William,a farmer. Death date was 1841 Longbenton. I have looked on NBI, & Free BMD but cannot see anyone close enough in age for her. I am assuming she was still in the Tyneside area, but maybe wrong.
A fresh pair of eyes on this would be appreciated.