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Gary

I cannot find her on any ships list currently transcribed online!

You can get a copy of her birth cert from the GRO, just google the GRO. You will need the registrations numbers given you at the beginning, the site will walk you through it all, just remember to tick 'have the gro ref no'
Never pay more than about £7 for a cert. The GRO is the ONLY direct place to get certs from and any other website is just conning you! (IMHO)

Tracey x

Thanks to everyone for their help - much appreciated

Gary

Hi Tracey

Thats the record I've got. My mistake - I've read the children bit wrong. Now I see she was living on her own - thanks for that.
The bit about the father being born in France is the one discrepancy on this census that we can't work out. Weren't sure if they had made a mistake with the mother and father columns as we still don't know who her mother is. Everything else fits. The name Thirza is unusual enough for us to be sure we do have the right one. The copy of the will we have is our biggest clarification. Think will have to get birth cert as next step. Can you advise where to obtain this from? Do you think it woud be possible to find her on a ship list to America?
Thanks for your help
Gary

Looking at Tarrant deaths between 1851 and 1860, there is no Martha Tarrant but there is a Mary Ann Tarrant who died Andover 1855 Dec Q and also an Eliza Tarrrant who died 1858 Andover, so it seems you will still need to get the birth cert to decide which of the brides in the 1850 marriage is the right one.
The IGI has a Mary Ann Wells 9/3/1823 Ramsbury
Eliza Hayter 8/4/1825 Salisbury

If it helps the only extra thing the image states is that she was naturalized in 1890.


Tracey

This one?

She's living alone in 1920 and not with children...?? This one's father was born in france you sure this one is yours?

1920 United States Federal Census
about Thirza Rathbun
Name: Thirza Rathbun
Home in 1920: San Andreas, Calaveras, California
Age: 68 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: France
Mother's Birth Place: England
Marital Status: Widow
Race: White
Sex: Female
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1885
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 695

Household Members: Name Age
Thirza Rathbun 68

Ahhhh.... now we have something vconcrete to go on. it's always good to give as much as you know!!

Right i'll go and look somewhere else!



Tracey x

Hi Tracey
Thanks for your help
Have found Thirza on the USA 1920 census living in california with two children. Her married surname is either Rathbone or Rathbun have. Found her marriage mentioned in the Rathbone Genealogy. The will i refered to states her married surname as Rathbun and that she died in Califonia. Found her death record on line which referred to being a native of England so must be one and the same person.
Would love to fill all the gaps but maybe it isn't meant to be!
Gary

This Iill we found definately states Thirza was living in Amercia. Have also found her death online. She died in California in 1920. Her book she wrote was called Food Reform Cookery. Think she was a victorian vegetarian according to a book written a couple of years ago that refers to her book in this regard.

Ok, i can't even find a Thirza Tarrant let alone a Thirza Rathbone in America!!

Gary needs to actually come back to us and tell us how he has this data....

Tracey

I know! Its all very puzzling. We have copy of a will we found in my grandmothers possessions when she died that was regarding Thomas Tarrants estate and it states in there he had seven sons and three daughters. We know that six of these sons and two of these daughters were by Ann his second wife so he must have not only had Thirza by his first but also another son! Can't find any trace tho. Will have to get Thirza's B Cert I think to trace the mother.

I have A.com & FMP and i can find no evidence of Thirza leaving for America?

I'm going to check the census reports now...


Tracey x

Having now looked at the image for 1851 I see that Thomas is shown as 26, Carpenter, living in his birthplace of Newton Toney with his mother Sarah, and he shows himself as married, but where was his wife?

Thirza Tarrant b 1851 Dec Q Salisbury Vol 8 Page 433
If you apply for the birth cert it will give you the mothers name
Do you have the marriage cert for Anne Bailey (1860 Dec Q Andover) if so this will show if Thomas was a widower or not
But it is of course possible that Thirza's parents were not married,and this is why she was sent away to a boarding school presumably at Thomas's expense

looks like she was still here in 1881 and a boarder with this family

1881 - according to this she was an authoress

Joseph J. ALLEY Head M Male 40 Chorlton Upon Medlock Manchester, Lancashire, England Topigraphical Antiquarian And Scientific Draughtsman
Elizabeth F.B. ALLEY Wife M Female 40 Bristol, Gloucester, England
Tertia F.J. ALLEY Daur Female 4 Eccles, Lancashire, England Scholar
Quartus Q.V. ALLEY Son Male 6 m Broughton, Lancashire, England
Emma BAYLIS Sister In Law U Female 43 Bristol, Gloucester, England Shop Assistant
Edward D. SHELTON Boarder U Male 25 Peterborough, Northampton, England Letter Press Printer & Manager
Thirza TARRANT Boarder U Female 29 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Authoress Domestic Economy


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Source Information:
Dwelling 163 Lr Broughton Rd
Census Place Broughton In Salford, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341943
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3951 / 124
Page Number 40

Household Record 1881 British Census

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Household:

Name Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation
Joseph J. ALLEY M Male 40 Chorlton Upon Medlock Manchester, Lancashire, England Topigraphical Antiquarian And Scientific Draughtsman
Elizabeth F.B. ALLEY M Female 40 Bristol, Gloucester, England
Tertia F.J. ALLEY Female 4 Eccles, Lancashire, England Scholar
Quartus Q.V. ALLEY Male 6 m Broughton, Lancashire, England
Emma BAYLIS U Female 43 Bristol, Gloucester, England Shop Assistant
Edward D. SHELTON U Male 25 Peterborough, Northampton, England Letter Press Printer & Manager
Thirza TARRANT U Female 29 Salisbury, Wiltshire, England Authoress Domestic Economy


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Source Information:
Dwelling 163 Lr Broughton Rd
Census Place Broughton In Salford, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341943
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3951 / 124
Page Number 40

if you buy the birth cert you can then compare it to the marriage
Also you may find thomas with one of the women in 1851 census

Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Tarrant Thirza Salisbury 8 433



Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Blake John Salisbury 8 778
Hayter Eliza Salisbury 8 778
Morgan Diana Westbury & 8 778
Morris John Salisbury 8 778
Tarrant Thomas Salisbury 8 778
Wells Mary Ann Salisbury 8 778
White Martha Salisbury 8 778

Her B/C will give you her Mums name, as she was born after the 1851 census it will be the only way

Births Dec 1851 (>99%)
Tarrant Thirza Salisbury 8 433