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George Lothian Monro 1873-1940 born Lochgilphead Scotland lived in Liverpool ,,, I would like to be able to prove he had a daughter called mary she i believe had two sons Anna and John

Looks like him in 1881:-
Name: George L Monro
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John D
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Lochgilphead, Argyleshire
Registration Number: 855
Registration district: Anwoth
Civil Parish: Anwoth
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Off Public Road Lodge Entrance To Cardoness
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 5
Roll: cssct1881_328
Household Members:
Name Age
John D Monro 41
Jane Monro 37
John W Monro 12
Annabella Monro 9
George L Monro 8
Mary E Monro 5
Jane Monro 2
Euphemia Monro 1

and possibly his World War 1 record:-
Name: George Lothian Monro
Age: 46
Birth Year: abt 1872
Residence : Beacon Hill, Woolton Lpl
Regiment Name: RAMC
Regiment Number: 155241
Document Year: 1918
Number of Images: 13

Original image shows:-
Residence as Beacon Hill, Woolton, Liverpool
Age:- 46 yrs. and 4mths.
Trade:- Butler
Married:- Yes

Other info from his Army Record:-

Height:- 5' 43/4"
Chest Measurement:- Girth when fully expanded - 35 1/4"
Range of expansion - 3 1/4"
Next of kin:- Mrs. Mabel Monro, Wife
Particulars of marriage:-
Name of Woman - Mabel Patheison (or at least that what it looks like)
Spinster
Date and place of Marriage:- 15/06/1910 Liverpool
Children:- George - 20/10/1910
William Davison - 17/02/1913
Mabel Isabel - 22/07/1917 (all Liverpool)

This would be the record for William which shows mothers maiden name as Patterson:-
Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Monro William D (Patterson) W. Derby 8b 1322

This looks like the marriage record:-
Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
MONRO George Lothian W. Derby 8b 803
When you open the record Mabel is not noted on the same page but if you look for a record for her you will find the following:-
Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%)
PATTERSON Mabel W. Derby 8b 863

Could be that there is an error in the transcript of the page number.

Enlisted :- 18/04/1818
Called up for service :- 02/07/1918
First Training Balt :- Rank - Private 05/07/1918

Service:-
AR - 18/04/1918 to 02/07/1918
Home - 03/07/1918 to 29/031919
ARL - 30/03/1919

There is also a form which I think is a Demobilization Form:-
Reg No.:- 155241
Unit and Corp:- 10 Coy - Royal Army Medical Corps
Date of the stamp is 06/05/1919

Dispersal Certificate shows Dispersal Unit as:- Dispersal Hospital Military Hospital, Fort Pitt, Chatham - 01/Mar/1919

Protection Certificate and Certificate of Identity shows address as:- 27 Bridge Road, Mossley Hill, Liverpool

Birth of Mabel Monro:-
Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
Monro Mabel I (Patterson) W Derby 8b 1027

Now knowing that his wife was Mabel Patterson, the following is another possible child:-

Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Monro Jean C (Patterson) Prescot 8b 1332
The district Prescot is in the county of Lancashire

unfortunately no Mary?

oK People i would just like to say MILLION thanks ...... a very strange hour or so has just passed.. learning something which was not known by any of us. We have a picture of the GLM and part from knowing he was a Butler we didnt know he spent a couple of yrs in the army and now we have his records ...a great days discovery

Hi Mark,
Glad the info has helped. Had a quick look on 1911 census and found the following:-

Last names MONRO
First names GEORGE
Sex M
Birth Year 1910
Age in 1911 5months
Residence LIVERPOOL
District/other West Derby
County/other Lancashire

Last names MONRO
First names MABEL
Sex F
Birth Year 1887
Age in 1911 24
District/other West Derby
County/other Lancashire

Can't seem to see George (father) though?
You can view the original record but you will have to buy credits to do so.

As you now know that Mabel was born in 1887 +/-, this is possibly her in 1901 census:-

Name: Mabel Patterson
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John A
Mother's Name: Isabel
Gender: Female
Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Garston
Ecclesiastical parish: Aigburth St Anne
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: (could be) Woodland St.

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 151
Household Members:
Name Age
John A Patterson 45 born: Ireland (Gardener)
Isabel Patterson 48 born: Woolton, Lancashire
William R Patterson 20 born: Woolton, Lancashire
Ernest J Patterson 18
Jessie Patterson 17
Agnes M Patterson 15
Mabel Patterson 14
Percy M Patterson 11

This would be confirmed with the marriage cert. as it will give her fathers name and profession.

More info from 1881 census:-
Name: John D Monro
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkden, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 855
Registration district: Anwoth
Civil Parish: Anwoth
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Off Public Road Lodge Entrance To Cardoness
Occupation: Butler (Domestic)

Name: Jane Monro
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : John D
Gender: Female
Where born: Mains, Forfarshire

Name: John W Monro
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Brechin, Forfarshire

Name: Annabella Monro
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Lochgilphead, Argyleshire

Name: Mary E Monro
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire

Name: Jane Monro
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire

Name: Euphemia Monro
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire

George's parents in 1901:-
Name: John D Monro
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkdon, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 855
Registration district: Anwoth
Civil Parish: Anwoth
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Public Rd Porter Lodge
Occupation: Butler Domestic
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 9
Roll: CSSCT1901_436
Household Members:
Name Age
John D Monro 62
Jane Monro 58
Euphemia Monro 21 - Occupation: Cook Domestic
Isabella Baxter 37 - Servant
Jessie Goodfellow 22 - Servant
Janet Papple 19 - Servant

1891 the father was in service:-
Name: John D Munro
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkden, Forfarsh
Registration Number: 103
Registration district: Kirkhill
Civil Parish: Kirkhill
County: Inverness
Address: Clunes House
Occupation: Butler Dom Serv
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 9
Line: 20
Roll: CSSCT1891_30
Household Members:
Name Age
James Fraser 33
Jessie Fraser 38
Alice MacLennan 34
George MacLennan 9
Alice MacLennan 5
Millicent MacLennan 3
May MacLennan 7
Margaret Callum 64
William F T Maxwell 5
Johanna M Maxwell 4
Dorotheia Sull Maxwell 2
<<<<<John D Munro 51
Mary Marlow 40
Mary Jeffrey 25
Margaret Rae 37
Mary Boyd 27
Mary McRobert 23
Mary E Scott 21
David Robertson 20

and here's Jane with the three youngest girls :-

Name: Jane Mouro
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Mains, Forfarshire
Registration Number: 855
Registration district: Anwoth
Civil Parish: Anwoth
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Public Road
Occupation: Wife of A Butler
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 3
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_399
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Mouro 47
Mary E Mouro 15
Jane Mouro 12
Euphemia Mouro 11
William Gass 20 - Servant

From this 1901 census record, it looks as though George wasn't the only one to have moved down to Lancashire. Here is his brother and two of his sisters:-

Name: John W Monro
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Wavertree
Ecclesiastical parish: Childwall All Saints
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 16 Woolton Road

Occupation: Gardener

Registration district: West Derby
Sub registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 249
Household Members:
Name Age
John W Monro 32
Mary E Monro 25 - Sister
Jane Monro 22 - Sister

Just had a look on "familysearch.org" and found this:-

GEORGE LOTHIAN MONRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 27 FEB 1873 Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland
Father: JOHN DAVIDSON MONRO
Mother: JANE CURTIS

there are also these two:-
JOHN WILLIAM MONRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 09 DEC 1868 Brechin, Angus, Scotland

ANNABELLA MONRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 05 OCT 1871 Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland

and this marriage:-
JOHN DAVIDSON MONRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 08 OCT 1867 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland
Spouse: JANE CURTIS

This looks likely as John Monro's birth record:-
JOHN MUNRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 30 OCT 1839
JOHN MUNRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 01 DEC 1839 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland
Father: DONALD MUNRO
Mother: ANNE DAVIDSON

and wife Jane:-
JANE CURTIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 05 AUG 1843
JANE CURTIS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 20 AUG 1843 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland
Father: WILLIAM CURTIS
Mother: ISABELLA FITCHIE

you may, however, want to buy a few birth and marriage certificates to confirm all this!

Still not having much luck in finding George in 1891 and 1901 though???

Looks like John in 1851:-
Name: John Monro
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relationship: Great Grandchild (Grandchild)
Gender: Male
Where born: Kirkden, Forfar
Parish Number: 286
Civil Parish: Farnell
County: Angus
Address: Ora Castle Farnell
Occupation: Scholark Pauper
ED: 1
Page: 3 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 11
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1851_64
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Davidson 67 - born: Farnell, Forfar - Occupation: Retired Nierde
John Monro 11

I have not as yet been able to prove what i set out to..however i can now confirm that the parents of John Davidson Monro are....

Father: DONALD MONRO as of yet no birth year / dateof marriage
Mother: ANNE DAVIDSON as of yet no birth year / dateof marriage

Just to confirm Catherine's inference abt bad page #s:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
PATTERSON Mabel MONRO George L West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/263/39
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/

Marriage:-
DONALD MUNRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 07 JUL 1838 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland
Spouse: ANN DAVIDSON

there's also this one:-
DONALD MUNRO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 21 JUL 1838 Farnell, Angus, Scotland
Spouse: ANN DAVIDSON

but as the family are more from Kirkden I would think the first is a better bet!

Hi Mark,
Just checked on Scotland People and there is a marriage in 1838 for Donald Monro to Ann ?
As I said in my pm I have no more credits left so can't view the record but I've managed to narrow it down to a date and place:-
Surname - Monro
Forename - Donald
Spouses Name - Ann
Date from 08 June 1838
Date to 08 June 1838
CountyCity - Angus
Parish - Dundee
Last search found 1 match.

Tried same thing using name of:-
Davidson
Ann
Donald
and found three marriages.
One on 7th July 1838 - Kirkden
Two on 21st July 1838 - Farnell

could be a good idea to check these all out to see what they say!