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19 Feb 2009 16:28 |
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Hi Mark, Just checked on Scotland People and there is a marriage in 1838 for Donald Monro to Ann ? As I said in my pm I have no more credits left so can't view the record but I've managed to narrow it down to a date and place:- Surname - Monro Forename - Donald Spouses Name - Ann Date from 08 June 1838 Date to 08 June 1838 CountyCity - Angus Parish - Dundee Last search found 1 match.
Tried same thing using name of:- Davidson Ann Donald and found three marriages. One on 7th July 1838 - Kirkden Two on 21st July 1838 - Farnell
could be a good idea to check these all out to see what they say!
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Catherine
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19 Feb 2009 12:14 |
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Marriage:- DONALD MUNRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 07 JUL 1838 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland Spouse: ANN DAVIDSON
there's also this one:- DONALD MUNRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 21 JUL 1838 Farnell, Angus, Scotland Spouse: ANN DAVIDSON
but as the family are more from Kirkden I would think the first is a better bet!
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18 Feb 2009 00:20 |
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Just to confirm Catherine's inference abt bad page #s:
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1910 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference PATTERSON Mabel MONRO George L West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_WD/263/39 http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
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17 Feb 2009 19:38 |
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I have not as yet been able to prove what i set out to..however i can now confirm that the parents of John Davidson Monro are....
Father: DONALD MONRO as of yet no birth year / dateof marriage Mother: ANNE DAVIDSON as of yet no birth year / dateof marriage
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Catherine
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16 Feb 2009 09:32 |
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Looks like John in 1851:- Name: John Monro Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relationship: Great Grandchild (Grandchild) Gender: Male Where born: Kirkden, Forfar Parish Number: 286 Civil Parish: Farnell County: Angus Address: Ora Castle Farnell Occupation: Scholark Pauper ED: 1 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 11 Line: 3 Roll: CSSCT1851_64 Household Members: Name Age Anne Davidson 67 - born: Farnell, Forfar - Occupation: Retired Nierde John Monro 11
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Catherine
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16 Feb 2009 00:09 |
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Still not having much luck in finding George in 1891 and 1901 though???
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Catherine
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16 Feb 2009 00:07 |
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Just had a look on "familysearch.org" and found this:-
GEORGE LOTHIAN MONRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 27 FEB 1873 Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland Father: JOHN DAVIDSON MONRO Mother: JANE CURTIS
there are also these two:- JOHN WILLIAM MONRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 09 DEC 1868 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
ANNABELLA MONRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 05 OCT 1871 Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland
and this marriage:- JOHN DAVIDSON MONRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 08 OCT 1867 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland Spouse: JANE CURTIS
This looks likely as John Monro's birth record:- JOHN MUNRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 30 OCT 1839 JOHN MUNRO - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 01 DEC 1839 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland Father: DONALD MUNRO Mother: ANNE DAVIDSON
and wife Jane:- JANE CURTIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 05 AUG 1843 JANE CURTIS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 20 AUG 1843 Mains And Strathmartine, Angus, Scotland Father: WILLIAM CURTIS Mother: ISABELLA FITCHIE
you may, however, want to buy a few birth and marriage certificates to confirm all this!
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 23:49 |
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From this 1901 census record, it looks as though George wasn't the only one to have moved down to Lancashire. Here is his brother and two of his sisters:-
Name: John W Monro Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Scotland Civil Parish: Wavertree Ecclesiastical parish: Childwall All Saints County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 16 Woolton Road
Occupation: Gardener Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Wavertree ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 249 Household Members: Name Age John W Monro 32 Mary E Monro 25 - Sister Jane Monro 22 - Sister
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 23:41 |
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and here's Jane with the three youngest girls :-
Name: Jane Mouro Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Mains, Forfarshire Registration Number: 855 Registration district: Anwoth Civil Parish: Anwoth County: Kirkcudbrightshire Address: Public Road Occupation: Wife of A Butler ED: 3 Household schedule number: 3 Line: 11 Roll: CSSCT1891_399 Household Members: Name Age Jane Mouro 47 Mary E Mouro 15 Jane Mouro 12 Euphemia Mouro 11 William Gass 20 - Servant
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 23:38 |
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1891 the father was in service:- Name: John D Munro Age: 51 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relationship: Serv (Servant) Gender: Male Where born: Kirkden, Forfarsh Registration Number: 103 Registration district: Kirkhill Civil Parish: Kirkhill County: Inverness Address: Clunes House Occupation: Butler Dom Serv ED: 1 Household schedule number: 9 Line: 20 Roll: CSSCT1891_30 Household Members: Name Age James Fraser 33 Jessie Fraser 38 Alice MacLennan 34 George MacLennan 9 Alice MacLennan 5 Millicent MacLennan 3 May MacLennan 7 Margaret Callum 64 William F T Maxwell 5 Johanna M Maxwell 4 Dorotheia Sull Maxwell 2 <<<<<John D Munro 51 Mary Marlow 40 Mary Jeffrey 25 Margaret Rae 37 Mary Boyd 27 Mary McRobert 23 Mary E Scott 21 David Robertson 20
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 23:32 |
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George's parents in 1901:- Name: John D Monro Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jane Gender: Male Where born: Kirkdon, Forfarshire Registration Number: 855 Registration district: Anwoth Civil Parish: Anwoth County: Kirkcudbrightshire Address: Public Rd Porter Lodge Occupation: Butler Domestic ED: 3 Household schedule number: 3 Line: 9 Roll: CSSCT1901_436 Household Members: Name Age John D Monro 62 Jane Monro 58 Euphemia Monro 21 - Occupation: Cook Domestic Isabella Baxter 37 - Servant Jessie Goodfellow 22 - Servant Janet Papple 19 - Servant
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 23:28 |
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More info from 1881 census:- Name: John D Monro Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jane Gender: Male Where born: Kirkden, Forfarshire Registration Number: 855 Registration district: Anwoth Civil Parish: Anwoth County: Kirkcudbrightshire Address: Off Public Road Lodge Entrance To Cardoness Occupation: Butler (Domestic)
Name: Jane Monro Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relationship: Wife Spouse's name : John D Gender: Female Where born: Mains, Forfarshire
Name: John W Monro Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relationship: Son Gender: Male Where born: Brechin, Forfarshire
Name: Annabella Monro Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relationship: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Lochgilphead, Argyleshire
Name: Mary E Monro Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876 Relationship: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire
Name: Jane Monro Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879 Relationship: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire
Name: Euphemia Monro Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relationship: Daughter Gender: Female Where born: Anwoth, Kirkcudbrightshire
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 23:01 |
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As you now know that Mabel was born in 1887 +/-, this is possibly her in 1901 census:-
Name: Mabel Patterson Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John A Mother's Name: Isabel Gender: Female Where born: Lpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Garston Ecclesiastical parish: Aigburth St Anne County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: (could be) Woodland St.
Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: Wavertree ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 151 Household Members: Name Age John A Patterson 45 born: Ireland (Gardener) Isabel Patterson 48 born: Woolton, Lancashire William R Patterson 20 born: Woolton, Lancashire Ernest J Patterson 18 Jessie Patterson 17 Agnes M Patterson 15 Mabel Patterson 14 Percy M Patterson 11
This would be confirmed with the marriage cert. as it will give her fathers name and profession.
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 22:50 |
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Hi Mark, Glad the info has helped. Had a quick look on 1911 census and found the following:-
Last names MONRO First names GEORGE Sex M Birth Year 1910 Age in 1911 5months Residence LIVERPOOL District/other West Derby County/other Lancashire
Last names MONRO First names MABEL Sex F Birth Year 1887 Age in 1911 24 District/other West Derby County/other Lancashire
Can't seem to see George (father) though? You can view the original record but you will have to buy credits to do so.
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Mark
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15 Feb 2009 19:19 |
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oK People i would just like to say MILLION thanks ...... a very strange hour or so has just passed.. learning something which was not known by any of us. We have a picture of the GLM and part from knowing he was a Butler we didnt know he spent a couple of yrs in the army and now we have his records ...a great days discovery
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 18:55 |
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Birth of Mabel Monro:- Births Sep 1917 (>99%) Monro Mabel I (Patterson) W Derby 8b 1027
Now knowing that his wife was Mabel Patterson, the following is another possible child:-
Births Mar 1923 (>99%) Monro Jean C (Patterson) Prescot 8b 1332 The district Prescot is in the county of Lancashire
unfortunately no Mary?
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 18:50 |
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Other info from his Army Record:-
Height:- 5' 43/4" Chest Measurement:- Girth when fully expanded - 35 1/4" Range of expansion - 3 1/4" Next of kin:- Mrs. Mabel Monro, Wife Particulars of marriage:- Name of Woman - Mabel Patheison (or at least that what it looks like) Spinster Date and place of Marriage:- 15/06/1910 Liverpool Children:- George - 20/10/1910 William Davison - 17/02/1913 Mabel Isabel - 22/07/1917 (all Liverpool)
This would be the record for William which shows mothers maiden name as Patterson:- Births Mar 1913 (>99%) Monro William D (Patterson) W. Derby 8b 1322
This looks like the marriage record:- Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%) MONRO George Lothian W. Derby 8b 803 When you open the record Mabel is not noted on the same page but if you look for a record for her you will find the following:- Marriages Jun 1910 (>99%) PATTERSON Mabel W. Derby 8b 863
Could be that there is an error in the transcript of the page number.
Enlisted :- 18/04/1818 Called up for service :- 02/07/1918 First Training Balt :- Rank - Private 05/07/1918
Service:- AR - 18/04/1918 to 02/07/1918 Home - 03/07/1918 to 29/031919 ARL - 30/03/1919
There is also a form which I think is a Demobilization Form:- Reg No.:- 155241 Unit and Corp:- 10 Coy - Royal Army Medical Corps Date of the stamp is 06/05/1919
Dispersal Certificate shows Dispersal Unit as:- Dispersal Hospital Military Hospital, Fort Pitt, Chatham - 01/Mar/1919
Protection Certificate and Certificate of Identity shows address as:- 27 Bridge Road, Mossley Hill, Liverpool
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Catherine
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15 Feb 2009 16:33 |
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Looks like him in 1881:- Name: George L Monro Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relationship: Son Father's Name: John D Mother's Name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Lochgilphead, Argyleshire Registration Number: 855 Registration district: Anwoth Civil Parish: Anwoth County: Kirkcudbrightshire Address: Off Public Road Lodge Entrance To Cardoness Occupation: Scholar ED: 3 Household schedule number: 3 Line: 5 Roll: cssct1881_328 Household Members: Name Age John D Monro 41 Jane Monro 37 John W Monro 12 Annabella Monro 9 George L Monro 8 Mary E Monro 5 Jane Monro 2 Euphemia Monro 1
and possibly his World War 1 record:- Name: George Lothian Monro Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1872 Residence : Beacon Hill, Woolton Lpl Regiment Name: RAMC Regiment Number: 155241 Document Year: 1918 Number of Images: 13
Original image shows:- Residence as Beacon Hill, Woolton, Liverpool Age:- 46 yrs. and 4mths. Trade:- Butler Married:- Yes
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Mark
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15 Feb 2009 16:22 |
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George Lothian Monro 1873-1940 born Lochgilphead Scotland lived in Liverpool ,,, I would like to be able to prove he had a daughter called mary she i believe had two sons Anna and John
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