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LadyKira
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12 Feb 2009 22:39 |
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I have found 2 people with Selina Meek on their trees and have directed to your thread Christine
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12 Feb 2009 22:14 |
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Elizabeth/Sue If you go to the search trees icon and search for Clements born in Gloucestershire there are several people with Clements born in Westbury on Severn. They may well have information for you.
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12 Feb 2009 21:49 |
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Births Jun 1884 (>99%) . Clements George Westbury S. 6a 257
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12 Feb 2009 21:45 |
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Births Jun 1882 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clements Thomas George Westbury S. 6a 257
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LadyKira
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12 Feb 2009 21:41 |
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I think this is Thomas George in 1891
Institution: Westbury On Severn Union Workhouse, Westbury on Severn Near Newnham Gloucestershire CLEMENTS, Thomas Pauper Single M 11 1880 Westbury on Severn Gloucestershire
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LadyKira
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12 Feb 2009 02:56 |
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Thanks for your messages Sue/Elizabeth. To Summarise
Marriage of Samuel and Selina
Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
CLEMENTS Samuel Westbury 6a 337
Meek Selina Westbury S 6a 337 This is the correct marriage. Your father remembers the name Meek.
In 1881 Selina is a widower and living with her sisters and 3 year old
We need to trace the older children.
It looks like Selina has had a relationship with another man several years after Samuel's death. Winnie would of course be a Clements because that was her mothers married name. When Winnie married she had not known her father or how long ago he had died so her fathers name was given as Samuel. You will probably never find the true identity of her father unless it is on her birth certificate. You say her cousins intimated that she was not a Clements. Next task then is to find Samuels death and the older children. Also track down Selina with her sisters.
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 21:25 |
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Births Jun 1875 (>99%) CLEMENTS Samuel Clifton 6a 109
This one is registered in clifton
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 21:18 |
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I have now found Samuel as a single lodger in 1891. His birthplace is given as Mendip Somerset
Westbury-sub-Mendip is a village with a population of about 800, situated on the southern slopes of the Mendip Hills half-way between the cathedral city of Wells and the world-famous Cheddar Gorge. Glastonbury, famous for its Abbey and music festival, is about fifteen minutes away.
1891 Address: 7, Fountain Terrace, Llanwonno, Hafod MORGRIDGE, Henry Head Married M 42 1849 Coal Miner Littleham Devonshire MORGRIDGE, Elizth Wife Married F 50 1841 St Blazey Cornwall SHOPLAND, William Lodger Married M 23 1868 Colliery Stoker Wellington Somersetshire SHOPLAND, Susan Lodger Married F 24 1867 Wellington Somersetshire POWELL, Henry Lodger Married M 30 1861 Mason Wellington Somersetshire BADMAN, George Lodger Married M 17 1874 Coal Miner Mendip Somersetshire CLEMENTS, Samuel Lodger Single M 17 1874 Coal Miner Mendip Somersetshire
He is a coalminer and now living in the area that his daughter marries in. But he is much too young and not married. perhaps he is a sibling of Winifred.
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 21:02 |
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This is not making sense. we know her father is Samuel Clements coalminer from the marriage certificate.
"To add to my previous Thread request. Here is my grandmother's marriage certificate: Date: 07.02.07 David Harris aged 22/Coal Miner. Address: 57 Victoria Street, Mountain Ash. Father: David Harris/laborer. Minnie Clements aged 19. Address: 52 Victoria Street, Mountain Ash. Father: Samuel Clements/coal miner."
We know her mother is Selina from 1901 census and that she is aged 54 born forest of dean
"Name: Winifred Clements Age in 1901: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Selina Gender: Female Where born: Forent of Dean, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Llanwonno Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret Town: Mountain Ash County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypridd Sub registration district: Llanwonno ED, institution, or vessel: 37 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 30 Household Members: Name Age Selina Clements 54 Thomas George Clements 19 George Clements 17 Winifred Clements 12 Enry Gingston 25 "
I found a selina of right age and place in 1881 but she is a widower therfore cannot be mother of Minnie. I can only find one Samuel on the local censuses but he appears to have lots of wives/marriages. b Back to the drawing board!
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 20:46 |
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Marriage of Samuel and Selina
Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%)
CLEMENTS Samuel Westbury 6a 337 Meek Selina Westbury S 6a 337
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 20:43 |
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I have found her mother Selina in 1881 but no Winifred/Minnie
THOMAS, Milson Head Single M 32 1849 Shoemaker Longhope Gloucestershire CLEMENTS, Selina Boarder Widow F 33 1848 East Dean Gloucestershire CLEMENTS, Elizabeth Boarder Single F 3 1878 Tredegar Mon MEEK, Rachel Boarder Single F 30 1851 At Tin Works (Mfr) East Dean Gloucestershire MEEK, Eliza Jane Boarder Single F 6 1875 Scholar Blaina Monmouthshire JAMES, Alfred Boarder Single M 21 1860 Coal Miner East Dean Gloucestershire
This is Selina Meek who married Samuel Clements and is of the right age to be winifred's mother.
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 20:42 |
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This is the same one in 1881 with another wife and changed his place of birth but same address. 1881 Address: No 11 Woodside Rd, Flaxley CLEMENTS, Samuel Head Married M 50 1831 Chimney Sweep And Lodging House Keeper (East Devon) Gloucestershire CLEMENTS, Emma Wife Married F 40 1841 Castle Froom Herefordshire CLEMENTS, Susan Daughter Single F 16 1865 Rowley Worcestershire CLEMENTS, Walter Son Single M 13 1868 Scholar Kates Hill Worcestershire CLEMENTS, Charlie Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Cinderford Gloucestershire JACKSON, Charles Lodger Married M 35 1846 Umbrella Maker London, London Middlesex FRANCIS, Henry Lodger Single M 26 1855 Blacksmith Croydon Surrey GREEN, Geo Lodger Single M 28 1853 Professor Of Legerdmain (Performer) London, London Middlesex TAYLOR, Thomas Lodger Single M 26 1855 Tailor Belfast Ireland SMITH, Wm Lodger Single M 25 1856 Labourer London, London Middlesex SAVORY, Chas Lodger Married M 25 1856 Labourer Birmingham Warwickshire SAVORY, Annie Lodger Married F 26 1855 Chair Caner Monmouth Monmouthshire SAVORY, Willie Lodger Single M 3 1878 Son Monmouth Monmouthshire WILKINS, John Lodger Single M 23 1858 (Cabinet Maker) Cheltenham Gloucestershire JACKSON, Ann Lodger Married F 33 1848 Dressmaker Bath Somerset BASTABLE, Thomas Lodger Married M 35 1846 Coal Miner Stafford BASTABLE, Ann Lodger Married F 25 1856 General Serv Stafford BASTABLE, Chas Lodger Single M 5 1876 Stafford BASTABLE, Lydia Lodger Single F 1 1880 Stafford JACKSON, Louisa Lodger Single F 4 1877 Redditch Worcestershire JONES, Wm Lodger Single M 18 1863 Labourer London, London Middlesex
I think we can safely discount this one
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 20:18 |
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I have copied it for you
To add to my previous Thread request. Here is my grandmother's marriage certificate: Date: 07.02.07 David Harris aged 22/Coal Miner. Address: 57 Victoria Street, Mountain Ash. Father: David Harris/laborer. Minnie Clements aged 19. Address: 52 Victoria Street, Mountain Ash. Father: Samuel Clements/coal miner. Looks as if she may have been registered as Winefred/Westbury S in July/August/Sept 1888.
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 18:49 |
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If the 1871 census I posted earlier is right I have one of Samuels earlier marriages
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1869 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bridges Sarah Westbury S 6a 326 CLEMENTS Samuel Westbury 6a 326
I think we can safely discount this one
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LadyKira
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10 Feb 2009 17:44 |
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i searched for other Clements events in Westbury
I came up wit this death
Deaths Dec 1890 (>99%) Clements Samuel 66 Westbury 5a 166
1871 Address: Woodside Road, Flaxley CLEMENTS, Samuel Head M 46 1825 Gloucestershire VIEW CLEMENTS, Sarah Wife F 50 1821 Gloucestershire VIEW BRIDGES, Charles Step-Son M 18 1853 Gloucestershire VIEW YOUNG, Elizth A Step-Daughter F 13 1858 Gloucestershire
I think we can safely discount this one
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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10 Feb 2009 17:21 |
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According to the death record of 1973 her birth was 11 July 1888 not 1887 This looks like her birth then and only registered as Winifred Births Sep 1888 CLEMENTS Winefred Westbury S 6a 210
The reg district covered Forest of Dean and there is a discrepancy of the spelling of her name .The original is very unclear so could be a typing error on the actual reg page as its not with an i in it She seems to have liked playing around with her names !!
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10 Feb 2009 17:12 |
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1881
Wm. ADOLPHUS Scholar Male 13 London, London, Middlesex, England Nil Alf. SMITH Scholar Male 12 London, London, Middlesex, England Nil Fd. HODSON Scholar Male 12 Birmingham Nil Sam. CLEMENTS Scholar Male 12 Bristol Nil Ed. JOHNS Scholar Male 12 Bristol Nil Jno. BENNETT Scholar Male 11 Bristol Nil Ed. NEWMAN Scholar Male 13 Bristol Nil Wm. JOHNSON Scholar Male 13 Leicester, England Nil Jno. MCLARN Scholar Male 12 London, London, Middlesex, England Nil Ar. FLANAGAN Scholar Male 13 Manchester Nil Rd. HUMPAGE Scholar Male 11 Walsall Nil Chas. TIMOTHY Scholar Male 12 London, London, Middlesex, England Nil Rd. MCCARTHY Scholar Male 13 Bristol Nil Hy. BRIGHAM Scholar Male 12 Norwich Nil Ed. BENNETT Scholar Male 13 Birmingham Nil Jas. WHEELER Scholar Male 12 Froome, Somerset, England Nil Wm. CHARLES Scholar Male 13 London, London, Middlesex, England Nil Ar. GREEN Scholar Male 12 Wincanton, Somerset, England Nil Wm. JACKSON Scholar Male 13 Greenwich Nil Jas. BRETT Scholar Male 11 Norwich Nil (Continued)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Institution "The Industrial School Ship Formidable" Census Place Bristol St Stephen, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1341594 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2468 / 88 Page Number 11
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Heather
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10 Feb 2009 17:11 |
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At the mo I cant see a birth for her. Has mum remarried?
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AnnCardiff
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10 Feb 2009 17:11 |
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1881
Samuel CLEMENTS Head M Male 48 Yatton, Somerset, England Packer At Drapery Elizabeth CLEMENTS Wife M Female 45 West Anstey, Devon, England William CLEMENTS Son U Male 17 Bristol St Phillips Painter Elizabeth CLEMENTS Daur U Female 14 Bristol St Phillips Nic Francis CLEMENTS Son U Male 13 Bristol St Phillips Scholar Alice CLEMENTS Daur U Female 11 Bristol St Phillips Scholar Sarah CLEMENTS Daur U Female 7 Bristol St Phillips Scholar Florence CLEMENTS Daur U Female 5 Bristol St Phillips Scholar Thomas CLEMENTS Son U Male 3 St George, Gloucester, England Arthur CLEMENTS Son U Male 5 m St George, Gloucester, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 1 Free Garden Beaufort Road Census Place Bristol St George, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1341599 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2489 / 23 Page Number 40
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AnnCardiff
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10 Feb 2009 17:11 |
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1881
Samuel CLEMENTS Head M Male 29 Baldock, Hertford, England Groom (ND) Ann M. CLEMENTS Wife M Female 25 Tetbury, Gloucester, England Grooms Wife George CLEMENTS Son Male 3 Upton, Gloucester, England Charles CLEMENTS Son Male 2 Upton, Gloucester, England Alfred CLEMENTS Son Male 1 Upton, Gloucester, England
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Catch Pike Census Place Tetbury, Gloucester, England Family History Library Film 1341616 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2552 / 40 Page Number 32
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