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There are some deaths/ monumental inscriptions for Annan, Dumfries on:

www.scotlandsfamily.com/deaths.

Might be worth a look.

As Jim/Thelma suggests, it looks likely that Janet McGowan died before 1853. You will not be able to find a death for her on Scotlandspeople prior to 1855. Your only hope is finding a place of burial with a gravestone giving information.

As already stated: William then married Ann Roxburgh. 15yrs his junior.

Margaret Roxburgh Irvine
11th February 1855
Annan, Dumfries.

The 1855 births are interesting in that they give a little extra information.

The mother's age and birthplace and

How many children have been born to the marriage and if they are living or deceased.


This may be Ann Roxburgh in the 1841 census.

Civil Parish: Annan-Burgh Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -

Address: High Street

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
ROXBURGH John M 50 Cattle Dealer Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH Mary F 45 Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH John M 15 Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH Margaret F 14 Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH William M 12 Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH Alexander M 10 Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH Joseph M 14 Male Servant Dumfries-shire
ROXBURGH Anne F 15 Female Servant Dumfries-shire

Was just a thought :))

Marion

Hi MarionFromScotland

Thanks for the suggestion, I have tried Jessie and Jenet but neither yields any info.

Regards

Alan

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Just a thought have you tried looking for Janets death using the name Jessie? Janets often get called Jessie.

Marion

I know nothing about Scottish records but google tells me that civil registration did not start until 1855
William remarried in 1853 so his first wife died prior.
WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 DEC 1853 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

Hi Jim/Thelma Soton

I have found the parents of Agnes Irving. They were William Irving and Janet Irving nee McGowan. Looks like you were right about half sisters as Janet McGowan must have died between 1851 and 1857 as she is deceased on the marriage record of Agnes and Charles Gallie. I can't find Janet's death on Scotlandspeople, any idea where I should look.

Thanks for all your help.

Alan

Hi Jim/Thelma Soton,

Thanks for the research, I need to work through it to see if I can validate it. Unfortunately the document I have confirming the marriage of Agnes Irving to George Gallie does not give the names of their fathers. I will consider acquiring their marriage certificate but I have quite a few others I need first.

Regards

Alan

1841 Scotland Census
about Helen Irving
Name: Helen Irving
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumfriesshire, Scotland

Civil Parish: Annan
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: High Street
Parish Number: 812
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William Irving 30
Janet Irving 30
Helen Irving 11
James Irving 9
John Irving 6
William Irving 1 6 Mo
James Irving 15
George Rae 15
Janet Dickson 15
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WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 JAN 1830 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland
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1. AGNES IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 DEC 1837 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

2. AGNES IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 02 NOV 1837

3. AGNES IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 DEC 1837 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

4. JOHN IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 29 APR 1836 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

5. JAMES IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 JUN 1832

6. JAMES IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 24 JUN 1832 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

7. WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 13 DEC 1839

8. WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 JAN 1840 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

9. RICHARD IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 02 JAN 1842

10. RICHARD IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 18 JAN 1842 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

11. HELEN IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 22 APR 1830

12. HELEN IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 MAY 1830 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland
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WILLIAM IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 DEC 1853 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland
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ALEXANDER IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 MAY 1861 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

2. MARY IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 24 JUN 1857 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

3. JOSEPH IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 25 MAY 1861 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

4. JOSEPH IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 24 JUL 1863 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

5. MARGARET ROXBURGH IRVING - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 11 FEB 1855 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

It would seem that Agnes may be Margaret's half sister.
Do you have Agnes's father from the marriage?


1851 Scotland Census
about Agnes Irving
Name: Agnes Irving
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Janet
Gender: Female
Where born: Annan, Dumfriesshire
Parish Number: 812
Civil Parish: Annan
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: High Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4A
Page: 1 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 159
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1851_205
Household Members: Name Age
William Irving 44
Janet Irving 44
Hellen Irving 20
John Irving 15
Agnes Irving 13
William Irving 11
Richard Irving 9
Josephina Harkness 19 Mo
Bryce Wright 18
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1861 Scotland Census
about Margaret R C Irving
Name: Margaret R C Irving
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Annan, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 812
Registration district: Annan
Civil Parish: Annan
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: West Gill
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1861_142
Household Members: Name Age
William Irving 55
Ann Irving 40
Richard Irving 18
Margaret R C Irving 6
Mary Irving 3
Mary Barton 16

Jim /Thelma Soton

Hi

Thanks for your help. My sister has a tapestry made by Margaret dated 1869, Annan School but we are not sure how she fits in to our family tree. I know that Agnes Irving DOB c 1838 married Charles Gallie DOB c1836 on 04/08/1857 at the Parish Church, Annan. They are my g.g.grandparents. I also know that Agnes had a brother Richard DOB c 1843. Any help in linking these people up would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for all your help.

Regards

Alan

MARGARET ROXBURGH IRVING Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth: 11 FEB 1855 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland

Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: WILLIAM IRVING Family
Mother: ANN ROXBURGH

1861
Margaret R C Irving William,Ann abt 1855 Annan, Dumfriesshire Daughter Annan Dumfriesshire

Hi Jean,

I am assuming that she was born in Annan, Scotland around 1860.

Regards

Alan

where abouts was she born wud help a bit

Hi

Can anybody help me find the birth of Margaret Irving, possible middle name either Noxburgh or Roxburgh. All I know was that she was a pupil at Annan School in 1869.

Thanks

Alan