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I couldnt get that up on Scotlands People...have managed now though. Thanks for that. No credit left to look at death cert, lost my job yesterday, so just doing as much as I can without spending money.

This is the only one on scotlandspeople showing for 1865.

No Year Surname / Maiden Name Forename Mother's Surname Other Surnames Sex Age District City/County/MR GROS Data Image Extract
1 1865 ROSS ALEXANDER M U GREENOCK EAST /RENFREW 564/02 0298 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER

what site is it that the death cert has been found for alexander ross in 1865 Greenock, is it scotlands people as I cant get it to show up.

Info with that much detail re Alex's death can only come from a d.rego on SP, I'ld say.

i must be doing something wrong this evening, i cant even find the 1841 census that is shown on this thread.

This could be Alexander Senior. Although it would mean his fathers name was George Ross.

Someone has found a record of a death for an Alexander Ross, married to Isabella McDonald. Death recorded as 1865 and he was age 38, a carpenter and died in Greenock, Renfrewshire.

I cant find this record, can anyone find it and tell me where to look?

Cat

Possible Alexander in 1841.


1841 Scotland Census
about Alexander Ross
Name: Alexander Ross
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Gender: Male
Where born: Inverness, Scotland

Civil Parish: Strath
County: Inverness
Address: Broadford
Parish Number: 119
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
George Ross 45
Ann Ross 40
Isabella Ross 20
Alexander Ross 14
Janet Ross 8
Charles Ross 7
John Ross 4
Donald Ross 8 Mo

Margaret

Read your post again, I see that he died in Greenock. I cant get to show up on scotlands people. Is that where you found it?

Cat

Margaret

Well done! I cant find Alexanders death anywhere! Where did you manage to find it so that I can look it up and see the death cert. Where in Scotland did he die? I was only searching Renfrew.

Catherine.

Hi

There is a death of Alexander Ross married to Isabella McDonald in Greenock in 1865. Hi is a labourer aged 38 father's name Alexander (a joiner) but no details for this mother. Sorry can't find the births for Alexnder and John

Margaret

Strath is one of two parishes at the SE end of Skye, and includes some islands off its N coast, the largest of which is Scalpay. Its W boundary runs from L Scavaig NE to L Ainart. The extreme S peninsular is the par of Sleat. In the early 19th cent, Sleat had a detached part, the village of Kylerhea at the mouth of the narrows leading from the Sound of Sleat to L Alsh, but in 1891, the boundaries were redrawn, and Kylerhea was linked to Sleat, with Strath getting a compensating chunk of moorland. The par kirk is at Broadford. In 1891, the parish was over 90% Gaelic speaking. Presumably, Alex was either unilingual English or, more probably, bilingual.

For a map showing parishes, see the Hebrides map at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/


I didn't find any likely Alex* Ross in 1851-1871 with pob=Strath, nor Skye.

Christine, the best strategy for searching Scottish censuses is to search for them on Ancestry, then when you find one that's really of interest, buy that one from SP. That way, all your deadend searches don't cost you extra.

I'm a bit puzzled why young Alex should want to be older - I could see it in the 1960s - being over 26 lowered your draft classification during the time of Viet Nam. However, I do think he was probably born 1863-1864.

Aren't 1855 regos marvelous. My gg grandad's death rego lists all his kids (excepting an illegitimate one, but I don't know that his son knew of that anyway).

Have you looked for Alex's d.rego - when you get the right 1871, you'll learn if Isa* was a widow. Between 1851-1911 all census took place at the end of March/begin of April, on a Sunday night (supposedly at midnight). 1841 was 6/6/1841, and 1921 was a month late because of printing problems (in Ireland it was 5 years late, but they had other problems too).

I think Isa's parentage from James' b.rego, and the presence of ma Mary in 1881 takes care of Linda's worries, and we are looking at the right family (modulo Catherine's 1871 hiccough).
It would be interesting to get hold of ma Mary's d.rego - that would probably give one set of Isa's grandparents. You never said who Isa's dad was - presumably that appears on one of her marr regos.

My guess for John's birth has always been the RFW one that Vivienne posted - of the 3 it's the closest to the census ages - or does Catherine's post:
"I have checked the 3 Ross entries below, none of them are who I am looking for" really mean above, not below, and these 3 are dead and dusted.

Isabellas 2nd husband John Ivison died in 1878. I'm not sure why she would have went back to the name of Ross for the 1881 census?

The passport application is a scanned copy of the original from Ancestry, I have looked at it again, it clearly says 1861.

The results for marriage of alexander ross and isabella mcdonald are the correct ones.

I have already looked at these census's they still havent helped me trace his birth certificate. Does anyone know what date in 1891 the census was conducted? The 1891 census says he was 23, he got married on 06jul1892 and he was 24.

Re Alex's passport applicatio - did you see the original document, or just a transcription. I could easily imagine an 1864 being transcribed as 1861.

I found two Hugh McDonalds in 1841, each with a 5 y.o. Isabella. One in LKS had a wife Mary, and one in RFW had a wife Mrs Hugh.

Here's the IGI entries I found - I don't know if I've got the right birth for Isabella:



Results for: Alexander Ross, Marriage, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Isabella Mcdonald
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: m119562

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 1
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1. ALEXANDER ROSS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 SEP 1854 East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland


Results for: Scotland, British Isles
Father: Alexander Ross, Mother: Isabella Mcdonald
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: c119331

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 2
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1. JAMES ALEXANDER ROSS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 01 AUG 1855 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland

2. ISABELLA ROSS - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 28 MAR 1857 Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland



Results for: Renfrew, Scotland, British Isles
Father: Hugh Mcdonald, Mother: Mary Johnston
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C119562

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 2
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1. ISABELLA MCDONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 22 JUL 1834 East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

2. MARY MCDONALD - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 DEC 1831 East Parish, Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland

Here's John on the other censuses:


1901 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil Parish: Greenock East
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 50 Shaw St
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 52
Page: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_192

John Ross 32 Greenock, Renfrewshire Head Iron Turner
Martha Ross 28 Greenock, Renfrewshire
William Ross 7 Greenock, Renfrewshire Son Scholar
John Ross 5 Greenock, Renfrewshire Son
Catherine Ross 4 Greenock, Renfrewshire Daur
Mary Ross 2 Greenock, Renfrewshire Daur
Isabella Ross 5mo Greenock, Renfrewshire Daur


1891 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil Parish: Greenock East
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 19 Antigua St
ED: 27
Household schedule number: 118
Page: 21
Roll: CSSCT1891_180

Isabella Ross 56 Greenock, Renfrewshire Widow
John Ross 23 Greenock, Renfrewshire Son Turner
Margaret Kelly 9 Mo Greenock, Renfrewshire


1881 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 564/1
Registration district: Greenock Middle
Civil Parish: Greenock Middle
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 19 Antigua St
ED: 35
Household schedule number: 158
Page: 26-27
Roll: cssct1881_164

Isabella Ross 49 Glasgow, Lanarkshire Head Washerwoman
Alexr Ross 17 Greenock, Renfrewshire Son Joiner
John Ross 15 Greenock, Renfrewshire Son News Boy
Mary McDonald 75 Rothesay, Buteshire Mother

When Isabella remarried in 1872 her address was 20 Cathcart St, Greenock, so I beleive the 1871 census with the Cathcart St address must be correct.
I do have James birth certificate. He was born 1st Aug 1855 at 22 Salisbury St, Glasgow. It states his parents were Alexander Ross, aged 29 I think, from the parish of Strath Inverness Shire and his mother was Isabella McDonald 25 years from Glasgow. Married 1854 in Greenock and this was her 1st child.
Last night I discovered that Johns brother Alexander moved to New York in 1887. I found Alexanders application for an American passport. It states on the application that he was born in Greenock on 5th March 1861. I looked on Scotlands people and cat find a record of his birth?? Weird, could he have lied on his application?
So of the 3 brothers....I have James birth cert, Alexanders DOB but no birth cert and no DOB or birth cert for John.

It seems like you've looked up this one rather than the 1871 posted above:

1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil Parish: Greenock East
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 23 Crescent St
ED: 12
Household schedule number: 29
Page: 7
Roll: CSSCT1871_98

Finlay Ross 25 Lanarkshire Iron Dresser
Isabella Ross 32 Bailey, Renfrewshire Wife
Alexander Ross 2 Lanarkshire Greenock, Renfrewshire Son
John Ross 1 Lanarkshire Greenock, Renfrewshire Son

I wouldn't expect this family to be related - it is probably the 2nd LKS John's birth that Vivienne posted.

I have looked further into the 1871 census that is on Scotlands People, it cant be the same family. I have viewed the birth certificate for the John Ross aged 1 in 1871.His mother was an Isabella but not an Isabella McDonald. Anyone have any ideas?