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Matilda in 1871, for info:


Name: Matilda Mc Cabe
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Hannah
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone

Town: London
County/Island: London
Registration district: Marylebone

Thomas Mc Cabe 43 - born Hampton, paper hanger
Hannah Mc Cabe 40 - born Norwich
Thomas Mc Cabe 8
Matilda Mc Cabe 10
Ellen Mc Cabe 5
Emily Mc Cabe 2


Matches with John having the name Thomas.


Births Dec 1860
McCAB Matilda Marylebone 1a 365

Just to note -- it might well have been when he married that he adopted his father's surname. Having to name a father and all.

Here's a possibility for John in the 1901:

McCabe, John 23148, Trooper 81st Coy., 21st Bn. I.Y.

http://www.britishmedals.us/
http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/impyeomanryl.html
http://www.britishmedals.us/kevin/iyhistory.html
http://www.britishmedals.us/files/iym.htm

Missing young men in 1901 often turn up in the Anglo-Boer War. That is from Kevin Asplin's list of men in the Imperial Yeomanry.

The service record would be available at Kew. I can recommend a researcher who did that search for me, if you're interested.

Now, that would have been cutting things very fine for the marriage and birth after that, so it may be unlikely. I'm not seeing him elsewhere either though!

hah! Janice

You were finding 1891 while I was finding 1901.
(Oops, I see you have 1901 too.)

Yes, I think we've nailed it. ;)

My two cents -- given that the names are fairly uncommon (Belton and McCabe), and the father's name matches, and you have a situation with a widowed householder and a young woman domestic servant, I think you have all the ingredients of a classic case.

I would get the John McCabe birth cert

Births Mar 1882
McCabe John Marylebone 1a 569

and if the mother's name matches Matilda, I'd say bingo.


And bingo.


1901

Name: Matilda C Belton
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Sam
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Name: Sam Belton
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Matilda C
Where born: Banbury, Oxfordshire, England
Occupation: Gen[?] Smith - notation "Black"

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Registration district: St Pancras

Sam Belton 58
Matilda C Belton 39
Catharine Belton 16
Ada Belton 12

Any good??
birth
Name: Thomas Henry J Belton (wonder if "J" is John)
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 83
1891
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel Bellon 48
Matilda Bellon 42
Joseph Bellon 18
Thomas Bellon 9 ****
Catherine Bellon 7
Ellen Bellon 5
Alfred Bellon 3
Ida Bellon 1
Samuel and Matilda in 1901

Household Members: Name Age
Sam Belton 58
Matilda C Belton 39
Catharine Belton 16
Ada Belton 12

or have you tried this birth cert?
Births Sep 1882
Belton John St. Olave 1d 268

what were the occupations on the marriage cert?
who were the witnesses?
does it say if Samuel had died?

You could try the easy route first. There are several people on here with Matilda McCabe in their tree. Try contacting them to see if they know if she married. Did she have children, a John who doesn't fit in with her marriage dates would be GOOD!

What happened to Samuel from the 1881 census? Any clues there? I think there's 1 person with him in their tree.

Failing that, it's down to trying to trace Matilda McCabe

thanks claire this is what we ended up with as well, few years back if this is the case and mccabe is my john belton,it has ended my line as there is no way of proving john belton was born,on that john mccabes birth cert it states father was policeman,and his name was john . my johns fathers name was samuel he could have taken samuels name but i got no way of proving it, if it is the case, and he was mccabe. are his descendants mccabe and not beltons, also this samuel had other children,can you see where this can of worms is going, if your up the wrong path, can you tell me how to prove it one way or the other thats why i was hoping for any lead gossip family story, just something to put me in right direction,, thanks for helping out here claire, have been on john for over 14 years now, and still end up in same place

thanks claire thats her uncle i have florence living with annie hook (ashby) her mother in 1901 at 27 handel street. but again no sign of john, he just doesnt want to be found
have florence 1891 living with her aunt and uncle sarah and james cayford
61 eden road walthamastow,
again no john,not in 1901,1891,even searched 1881 incase birth year was wrong on marridge cert

Well I don't know if I'm leading you up the garden path here but I'll post anyway

Samuel is a widow with a young servant girl Matilda McCabe in the house & there's a John McCabe born 1882 Marylebone

It's the right area & the right time but is it him?


1881 England Census
about Samuel Belton
Name: Samuel Belton
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 142 Drummond Street
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Engineer (Artz)

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 3c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Belton 40
Samuel Belton 15
Josephine Belton 12
Charles Belton 11
Mary Ann Belton 9
Joseph Belton 7
Matilda McCabe 21

Flo in 1901?


1901 England Census
about Florence Hook
Name: Florence Hook
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Alfred
Mother's Name: Marie
Gender: Female
Where born: Camden, London, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: Camden
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Pancras
Sub registration district: Camden Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 33
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Hook 52
Marie Hook 48
Emily Hook 26
Florence Hook 21

thanks clair, thats where i got this lead from, 1911 census,have been waiting years for it but only new thing have is that they were actually registered on this census,hence asking if anyone else had any rellies living about that area,as family names and storys get handed on,
yes thats right tin have marrdge cert for tilli and charlie,have tillies birth cert as well, but doesnt give me any more info bout family, john and florence didnt exist in 1901,got flo in 1891, but not john, dead end every way i go,

Kim, have a look at this marriage, it does look quite promising but you would need to order a copy from the gro to check,

Marriage

Matilda A Belton, Registered June q 1934, Pancras, Volume 1b, Page 164, Charles H Harmer.

I'd be inclined to wait a few more days until the 1911 census is available again. I suppose the last thing you want to know is that we were using it up until New Year's Eve but at least we know that this area is covered.

Suggest that you register here so that you get the regular updates

http://www.1911census.co.uk/

cheers for that clair, but as tin fields came back so quick with adas middle name was really hoping she was in his tree as well, thats how desperate i am here,

thanks der thick here didnt see reply at top,(has all changed, well thats my excuse lol),
yes florence dad was alfred hook who married annie ashby, i hvae few more years back on this side but it is the beltons that are illusive,john just doesnt seem born his father was samuel,

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Hi Kim,

Would I be right in thinking that Tillie and Katie were twins? Tillie ( Ada Matilda) and Katie (Katherine)