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awol relatives - UK and USA

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EvieBeavie

EvieBeavie Report 14 Apr 2009 01:03

Looks good. Keep us posted!

mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Apr 2009 05:56

Here are some of the earlier censuses from FreeCEN (plus one based on Ancestry), and some IGI stuff:


Results for: John Henderson, Marriage, Midlothian, Scotland, British Isles
Spouse: Mary Weir
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: m116906

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 1
Select records to download - (50 maximum)
1. JOHN HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 06 OCT 1834 Kirknewton And East Calder, Midlothian, Scotland



Results for: Birth/Christening, 1831 - 1871, Midlothian, Scotland, British Isles
Father: John Henderson, Mother: Mary Weir
Exact Spelling: Off

International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 14
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1. MARY HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 AUG 1847 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

2. MARGARET HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 14 JUN 1858 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

3. ANDREW HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 17 MAR 1856 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

4. AGNES HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: 29 MAR 1861 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

5. ADAM HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JUN 1854 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

6. CHARLES HENDERSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 03 FEB 1850 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

7. Duncan W Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1845 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

8. James Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1836 , Midlothian, Scotland

9. John Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1840 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

10. Robert Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1835 , Midlothian, Scotland

11. Charles Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1850 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

12. David Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1847 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

13. Mary Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Birth: About 1849 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

14. Thomas Henderson - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: About 1853 Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland

[The first 6 records above are OPR or GRO(S) index extracts - the last 8 are LDS member submissions]




Piece: SCT1841/677 Place: Colinton -Midlothian Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Colinton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Colinton
Folio: 4 Page: 13
Address: Juniper Green

Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HENDERSON John M 31 Mason Journeyman Midlothian
HENDERSON Mary F 22 Midlothian
HENDERSON Robert M 6 Midlothian
HENDERSON James M 5 Midlothian
HENDERSON William M 2 Midlothian
HENDERSON John M 6m Midlothian


Piece: SCT1851/677 Place: Colinton -Midlothian Enumeration District: 4
Civil Parish: Colinton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 692 Page: 29 Schedule: 108
Address: -

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
HENDERSON John Head M M 46 Stone Mason Midlothian - Ratho
HENDERSON Mary Wife M F 31 House Keeper Midlothian - Currie
HENDERSON William Son - M 10 Scholar Midlothian - Ratho
HENDERSON John Son - M 8 Scholar Midlothian - Colinton
HENDERSON Duncan Son - M 6 Scholar Midlothian - Colinton
HENDERSON David Son - M 4 Midlothian - Colinton
HENDERSON Charles Son - M 1 Midlothian - Colinton
[Ancestry gives the 1851 town and address as: Juniper Green ]


mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Apr 2009 05:57

These seem to be the two sons not with the family in 1851:

Piece: SCT1851/677 Place: Colinton -Midlothian Enumeration District: 3
Civil Parish: Colinton Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 692 Page: 15 Schedule: 60
Address: Wood Hall Mains

Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CLAPHAN John Head M M 35 Farmer Of 84 Ac Emp 3 Men Midlothian - Colinton
CLAPHAN Mary Wife M F 35 Farmer's Wife Midlothian - Colinton
CLAPHAN Margaret Dau - F 13 Farmer's Daughter Midlothian - Colinton
CLAPHAN Mary Dau - F 10 Scholar Midlothian - Colinton
CLAPHAN Thomas D. Son - M 6 Scholar Midlothian - Colinton
CLAPHAN Elizabeth B Dau - F 3 Midlothian - Colinton
CLAPHAN John Son - M 8m Midlothian - Colinton
CRAWFORD Elizabeth Servnt U F 25 House Servant Lanarkshire - Hamilton
HENDERSON James Servnt U M 13 Farm Ag Lab Midlothian - Kirknewton
THOMSON Agnes Visitr U F 20 Dress Maker Midlothian - Ratho



1851 Scotland Census
Parish Number: 663
Civil Parish: Boness
Town: Boness
County: West Lothian
Address: 3 Ship Masten Land
ED: 8
Page: 8
Household schedule number: 24
Roll: CSSCT1851_173

James Craig 30 Kirkmichael, Ayreshire Head Ironstone Miner
Rebeca Craig 26 Lanark Wife Ironstone Miners Wife
Robert Henderson 14 Kirkoneston, Midlothian Lodger Ironstone Miner


There are MLN & WLN maps showing parishes at:
http://www.electricscotland.com/history/gazetteer/



mgnv

mgnv Report 14 Apr 2009 06:11

This is what I could find in 1871


1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 677
Registration district: Colinton
Civil Parish: Colinton
County: Midlothian
Address: Longstone
Occupation: Carter - Servant
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 156
Page: 29
Roll: CSSCT1871_154

James Fairley 36 Bathgate, Linlithgow Head Carter - Master Employ 3 Man
Jane Fairley 38 Colinton, Edinburgh Wife
Alexander Fairley 13 Colinton, Edinburgh Son
William Wolson 19 Edinburgh, Edinburgh Servant Carter - Servant
Alexr Sinclair 18 Colinton, Edinburgh Servant Carter - Servant
Charles Henderson 21 Edinburgh, Edinburgh Servant Carter - Servant



1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 677
Registration district: Colinton
Civil Parish: Colinton
County: Midlothian
Address: Juniper Green
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 4
Household schedule number: 163
Page: 37-38
Roll: CSSCT1871_154

Mary Henderson 53 Kirknewton, Midlothian Head
Thomas Henderson 19 Colinton, Midlothian Son Paper Maker Enginer
Adam Henderson 17 Colinton, Midlothian Son Paper Maker Enginer
Andrew Henderson 15 Colinton, Midlothian Son Paper Maker Enginer
Margaret Henderson 13 Colinton, Midlothian Daughter Paper Maker Enginer
Agnes Henderson 10 Colinton, Midlothian Daughter Scholar
David Henderson 25 Colinton, Midlothian So;l Mason
Elizabeth Henderson 22 Lochwinnoch, Renfrewshire Son's Wife
Margaret F Henderson 3 Colinton, Midlothian Grandaughter
Elizabeth A Henderson 1 Pocenock, Renfrewshire Grandaughter

[Looks like some overenthusiastic dittoing with occup]


1871 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 10 Dick Place
ED: 86
Household schedule number: 57
Page: 18
Roll: CSSCT1871_166

Robert Inglis 51 Nk Head Publisher "gall & Inglis" Employing 56 Hands
Alice Mary Inglis 9 Edinburgh Daughter Scholar
James Gall Inglis 6 Edinburgh Son Scholar
Mary Henderson 23 M Loth, Colinton Servant Domestic Servt

CheerfulFairy

CheerfulFairy Report 14 Apr 2009 21:25

That is a big family!

I will try to find the marriage of Charles and Mary Josephine, although this has been very illusive and they may not have married. My American lady couldn't find it and thought that Mary may have been married to someone called Thomas Mannix (Joseph being their son). I think I will have to order the fiche for the local Mormon church and wade through it all. I have gone through all the census records in the UK for the family and Charles' (elder) age is stable. Mary's age changes for each census, giving her birth as somewhere between 1862 and 1868.

The births of the 2 yongest children in Scotland and the 1911 census all point back to their marriage in 1882 (if it took place) in the USA.

I can't think of any other way of figuring out if my Charles is child number 6 in the first census posting above, other than looking for any details of his parents if he did get married.

Julie

mgnv

mgnv Report 15 Apr 2009 08:18

1) Robert c1835, 2) James c1836, 3) William c1839, 4) John c1840, 5) Duncan c1845, 6) David c1847, 7) MARY 1847, 8) Mary c1849, 9) CHARLES 1850, 10) Thomas c1853, 11) ADAM bp 04 JUN 1854, 12) ANDREW b 17 MAR 1856, 13) MARGARET 1858, 14) AGNES 1861.

It's not clear if Mary #7 died and Mary #8 was named after her, or they're really the same Mary (my guess is the latter). The only way you'll find out about kids who didn't make it to the census is either a) find a statutory birth rego for 1855, or b) find death or burial entries. Before 1855, this can be problematic, although Colinton does have burials for 1815-1854 - I've no idea how complete these records are, and note they didn't bother for the previous 160 y. One might also find kirkyard Memorial Inscriptions which can be pretty informative.

SP now sells images for OPR burials. I haven't gotten one yet - don't know if my folk are there yet either, although I do have some kirkyard burials. The alternative is to view films, either at the library (especially if you live in the Edinburgh area), or else via renting to view at an LDS FHC (world-wide). To check on the film, you can do a place search in the LDS FHL library catalog, but the quickest way here is to take one of the IGI OPR hits for the kids (say Mary), and click on her. At the bottom of her record is:

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C116774 1820 - 1854 1066672 Film 6901530 Film
C116774 1843 1066672 Film NONE
Sheet:

Now click on the Source Call No (1066672 here), and drill down:

Title Old parochial registers for Colinton, 1654-1854
Authors Church of Scotland. Parish Church of Colinton (Midlothian) (Main Author)

Notes Microfilm of original records (book OPR 677 ; vols. 1-8.) in the New Register House, Edinburgh.


Click on the "view film notes" button at top right:

Note Location Film
v. 1. Births and Baptisms, 1654-1738. v. 2. Births and Baptisms, 1738-1819. v. 3. Marriages, 1654-1819. (Preferred film for viewing. Use this before ordering the other filming.) FHL BRITISH Film 1066671 Items 2 - 4
v. 3. Marriages and Proclaimations, 1756-1804, 1815-1819; Financial Disbursements, 1717-1724; Burials and Cloth Money, 1815-1829, 1847-1819. v. 4. Burials, 1815-1823; Marriage Proclaimations, 1815-1825; Births & Baptisms, 1815-1827. v. 5. Births & Baptisms (includes index), 1820-1854; Marriages & Proclaimations, 1820-1854. v. 6. Burials, 1819-1855. (Preferred film for viewing. Use this before ordering the other filming.) FHL BRITISH Film 1066672 Items 1 - 4
v. 7. Birth Index, 1738-1851. v. 8. Burial Index, 1826-1854. (Preferred film for viewing. Use this before ordering the other filming.) FHL BRITISH Film 1066672 Items 5 - 6
Index to Baptisms, 1731-1851 & 1654-1819 (another filming). FHL BRITISH Film 103002
Baptisms, 1815-1854; Marriages, 1654-1819, 1815-1854; Burials, 1716-1819, 1815-1854 (another filming). VAULT BRITISH Film 103003
Index to Burials, 1826-1854; Burials, 1815-1854 (another filming). VAULT BRITISH Film 103004