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I have a Joseph Henry Brown marriage cert in 1898 East Ham. His father is James Henry occ driver
Joseph Henry is born c1879 Gt Grimsby according to the 1901 census.
1881 census I have found a Henry Brown 1879 Grimsby living Gt Grimsby with mother Eliza A who is head but still married
Could someone please look in 1871 for this family to see if there is a husband James Henry. James Henry Brown is deceased on his sons marriage cert

Thanking you

saw this
Joseph Brown
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Gender: Male
Where born: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Brown 52
Charles Brown 23
Martha Ann Brown 22
Hillie Brown 21
Harry Brown 19
Elliza Brown 13
Joseph Brown 11


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Here is that census.


1881 England Census
about Eliza A. Brown
Name: Eliza A. Brown
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: 103 Garibaldi Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Eliza A. Brown 37
Sophia Brown 14
Alfred Brown 10
Edwin Brown 8
Frederick Brown 6
Henry Brown 2
Albert Brown 1
Mary Hayes 80 mother in law, b Greenwich

The 1891 posted by Jean shows the head's occupation to be Butcher.

Here's 1891 for her so I think you may have the wrong family.



1891 England Census
about Eliza A Brown
Name: Eliza A Brown
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John W
Gender: Female
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Town
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
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Household Members:
Name Age
John W Brown 50 fisherman
Eliza A Brown 48
Sophia M Brown 24
Albert E Brown 20
Edwin H Brown 18
Henry C Brown 12
Albert A Brown 11
Henrietta Brown 9
Eliza A Brown 8

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So the dilema is where is James Henry Brown occ driver with a son Joseph Henry born c1879 Gt Grimsby.
Could /would a butcher become a driver .

Is Henry the butcher missing in 1901?

I don't think the butcher's family is yours because here they are in 1901.

1901 England Census
Name: Henry Brown
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Father-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Grimsby
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 25
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Hodson 31
Eliza Hodson 23
Henry Brown 61
Henry Brown 28
Joseph Brown 21 - fish pontoon labourer

How about this:


1891 England Census
about James H Brown
Name: James H Brown
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A E
Gender: Male
Where born: Barking, Essex, England

Civil Parish: St Mary The Virgin
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Dover
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Occupation says: Diver (check that marriage certificate to see that it doesn't say diver and not driver)

Registration district: Dover
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
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Household Members:
Name Age
James H Brown 33
Mary A E Brown 33 (Marsh Chapel, Lincoln)
Thomas A Brown 35

Then:


1881 England Census
about Joseph H. Brown
Name: Joseph H. Brown
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary A.
Gender: Male
Where born: New Clee, Lincoln, England

Civil Parish: Clee With Weelsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: 55 Trinity St


Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
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Household Members:
Name Age
Mary A. Brown 23 (Marsh Chapel, Lincoln - fisherman's wife)
Laura E. Brown 4
Joseph H. Brown 1

1901 England Census
about Mary Brown
Name: Mary Brown
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head (widowed)
Gender: Female
Where born: Marsh Chapel, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub registration district: Plaistow
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
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Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Brown 42
Laura Ashton 24 (nee Brown)
Frances Brown 19
Laura Brown 1 (noted as Granddaughter - probably should be Ashton)

Can't see any of the children in 1891 census. I wonder where they all were?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Laura Helen (could be Ellen) Brown
Name: Laura Helen Brown to Henry John O Ashton
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 247

1871 England Census
about James H Brown
Name: James H Brown
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jemima
Gender: Male
Where born: Barking, Essex, England
Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 111
Household Members:
Name Age
Jemima Brown 45 (married - fisherman's wife)
Thomas A Brown 15
James H Brown 13
Edward Brown 9
Henry Brown 6

1861 England Census
about Thomas Brown
Name: Thomas Brown
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemima
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
Town: Great Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 221
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 36 (Mariner)
Jemima Brown 35 (Barking, Essex)
Thomas A Brown 6
James Brown 4
Alfred Brown 3


1881 England Census
about Thomas Brown
Name: Thomas Brown
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemima
Gender: Male
Where born: Haggerston, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Great Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Street address: 88 Orwell Streett
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Fisherman

Registration district: Caistor
Sub registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 56
Jemima Brown 56
Thomas Brown 25
Alfred Brown 22
Edward Brown 19
Henry Brown 16
Susan Carless 22 (niece)

Found father Thomas by himself in 1891. Looks like Jemima died, but I still can't find James Brown's children in 1891


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Jemima Brown
Name: Jemima Brown
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 64
District: Caistor
County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 7a
Page: 470

Lewella
I think you have solved the mystery.One of the witnesses on Joseph Henry Browns marriage cert in 1898 is Laura H Brown. This is 1 year before a marriage for a Laura Helen Brown in West Ham.
Joseph Henry Brown married Rachel Hawkins.in 1898. Daughter Rachel Laura Edith ( Laura on census) born 1900 Forrest Gate Essex. Joseph and Rachel have a son Eric Stanley Reginald Brown born 5/5/1912 Willsden Middlesex.
My connection is Eric who married my aunt in 1933 in Middlesbrough. Rachel Elliott was a witness. She is Rachel Laura Edith.Brown
Rachel L E Brown is my new contacts gt grandmother. He is the one who has just received the marriage cert for Joseph Henry Brown with father James Henry. I will get him to check the occupation again because Rachels father William Hawkins occupation couldnt be understood. Its possible then the occupation for Josephs father was difficult to read

Thanks for your effort

Well done, Lewella.

Just got a reply from my contact and the marriage cert does look like diver. He assumed it was driver because of the poor writing.

Now we need Laura Helen Browns husband in 1901 or was Laura a widow?

Plus still non of the Brown children found in 1891.
Found James Henry Brown

1881 census. James Henry Brown 1858 Barking Essex married occ master. On vessel" Bonnie lad" at Great Grimsby sub district

Found a marriage for Thomas James Brown in 1847 june qt Romford Essex . Other name on the page Jemima Webber. Any chance of a 1851 census look up please? .They are in Barking Romford

Perhaps this one? Well done Lewella by the way!



1851 England Census
about Thomas Brown
Name: Thomas Brown
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemina
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Barking
Ecclesiastical parish: St Margaret
Town: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Romford
Sub registration district: Barking Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 24 fisherman
Jemina Brown 24 b Barking

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Until we find out Henry John O Ashton's age and father's details, he is going to be a bit hard to trace. Don't forget that in 1901 a lot of young men were away (Boer War). He could also have been away at sea.

As for Jemima Webber, this one is a possible:


1841 England Census
about Jemima Webber
Name: Jemima Webber
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Great Horksley
Hundred: Lexden (Colchester Division)
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Lexden and Winstree
Sub registration district: Dedham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Webber 60
Ann Webber 70
Jemima Webber 12
George Webber 15

Thank You Lewella you are great