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Can anybody help me my friends father was Patrick Joseph Kinsella who married a Catherine Walsh in St Albans Church, Liverpool 16th June 1942.
They had a child called Patrick Luke Walsh (called Luke) he was born 17th May 1944. Catherine died 17th September 1944 the child being 4 months old.
All Luke knows is that Catherine's mother Catherine (Kitty) Walsh adopted him and brought him up until he went into the army at 18 and lost touch with the nan due to him marrying a protestant girl they were devout catholics. He never found out what happened to his father Patrick Jospeh Kinsella and wonders why he never cared for him.

The other info we have are a undelivered letter to the father Kinsella stating the court details for the adoption hearing address was 45 Viola Street, Liverpool.

Marriage details state Catherine lived in 13 Milford Street, Liverpool prior to wedding and Patrick Kinsella lived at 14 Towsend Street, Liverpool his job was in the merchant sea service.

Anyone who could help us it would be greatly appreciated as Luke always wonders what happened to his father.

Thanks

This is the only death listed for Liverpool, 1984 - 2005 does your friend know when he was born?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Name: Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Birth Date: 7 Oct 1928
Death Registration Month/Year: Dec 1988
Age at death (estimated): 60
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 36
Page: 1276

He hasnt got a clue but the above would put his age at his birth as 16 years and his mother died age 37 so doubt that is him but thanks for info

The details on the death cert are only what the informant knows or has been told.

Below are the marriage details.

June 1942
Patrick J Kinsella Walsh Liverpool S 8b 350

a couple of birth details if he was born in Liverpool

Births Jun 1914
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KINSELLA Patrick Kinsella Liverpool 8b 88

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Births Jun 1915
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Kinsella Patrick M Curran Liverpool 8b 26

Thanks diddydoris could well be him one of them, very difficult to know were to start when he doesnt even know anything regarding his birth or if he had sisters or brothers.
Any ideas were we could start and how we can go about it I know its difficult because he isnt in touch with anyone since he was 18 and he is 64 now.
Thanks in advance

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983


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Name: Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Year of Registration: 1905
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Stockport
County: Cheshire, Lancashire
Volume: 8a

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Name: Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Birth: Mar 1905 - Stockport, Cheshire, Lancashire

Wow that looks promising puts him at 37 when he got married which is two years older than Catherine. Any ideas were I would get the birth cert details?

Any info would be greatly appreciated just dont know were to start

I would start by buying the marriage cert, this will give Patricks age and his fathers name.

I will check because I am sure they said they had the marriage cert, if not will definitely get that and get back to you all.
Cheers

Diddy here is the information from the Marriage Cert hope you could point us in the right direction


Bride: Catherine Walsh Age 27 Spinster
Cafe Waitress
Address: 13 Milford Street
Father - Luke Walsh (Deceased) - Seaman - Merchant

Groom: Patrick Joseph Kinsella Age 24 Batchelor
Seaman - Merchant Navy
Address: 14 Townsend Street
Father - Joseph Kinsella (Deceased) - Private in Kings Royal Rifles


Dads birth certificate says name LUKE only (not Patrick Luke) - Dated 31st May, 1944
Born 17th May 1944 at 107 Rice Lane (not sure if that is Walton Hospital?)
Father / Mothers addresss - 45 Viola Street

whats strange is that dads Adoption certificate shows his name as PATRICK LUKE

They are both younger than previously thought.

Thanks
Cathy

Going by the ages on the marriage cert, this may be him.

Births Jun 1917

Kinsella Patrick J Markey W Derby 8b 1023


England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Name: Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Birth Date: 4 May 1917
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2003
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Register number: B71A
District and Subdistrict: 500/1B
Entry Number: 48

Thanks girls for information really good we are going to purchase the death certificate of Patrick Joseph Kinsella what number do I need to order on line. Also how would I go about finding the funeral details i.e. church / crem etc.
Cathy

Just noticed as well if we went on the Patrick born 1917 then the death of his father in 1915 wouldn't be right.

If you go to http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ you can purchase the death cert on line for about £7 and takes about a week to arrive, I've not orfered a death cert before, but should be pretty straightforward. With regards to burials cemetrys etc you could try local papers in Southampton.

Name: Patrick Joseph Kinsella
Birth Date: 4 May 1917
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 2003
Age at death (estimated): 86
Registration district: Southampton
Inferred County: Hampshire
Register number: B71A
District and Subdistrict: 500/1B
Entry Number: 48

Local Council has responsibility for Cemeteries and Crematoriums

I have just found his death in the archive paper in southampton giving me the funeral parlour and the church were the service took place. When I read his death he was an ex cunard QE2 worker. I have passed the info onto Luke and he can email the church and funeral parlour will let you know if we get any further information. But thankyou so much we have our fingers crossed. Although do you find that churches/funeral parlours give out much info anyway will give it go and let you all know how we get on.
Cathy x

We have hit a brick wall with the funeral parlour. They have stated the following :-
I remeber Joseph Patrick, or 'Tony' as he was known, Kinsella. I met him when his wife Hilda, or 'Kay', died in 1997. I don't know much about him except that he was 86 when he died and had worked as a steward for Cunard on the QE2. His ashes are intered at Bursledon Cemetery with Kay's. I have no record of any other family.
I hope this is helpful
The church were the service took place still has not replied. The archive in the local Southampton deaths paper doesnt go back to 1997 to check out Hilda or 'Kay' death either.
I find it really strange that they both called themselves different names him TONY and her KAY???
Any ideas what to do next ????
Thanks

Anyone got any ideas???? please !!!