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In a bit of a pickle - can someone save me from a possible nervous breakdown trying to locate my GGG/F.

Info to date:

G/F - James Durkin - dob 1888 - Labourer - married Margaret McGlen 1911
GG G/F - James Durkin - 1854c - Masons Labourer - married Mary Mullarkey 1886
GGG G/F - James Durkin - ?? - ?? - married a Bridget I think going on census info on GG G/F.

Census 1891 & 1901 GG G/F lived 73 Chassum St. Bradford (son's b. cert. confirms)
1881 - single lived Leicester St. Bradford - Mother widow
1871 - single lived Bowling District Bradford - Mother widow
1861 - can't find
At all addresses he's mason labourer/labourer

Just received GGG/F marriage cert and his father is listed as a "Farmer". I am having a job locating him could anyone help?

Also GGG/F's wife Mary Mullarkey's father is listed as Patrick - Schoolmaster (deceased) on certificate. Witness on cert is brother John Mullarkey. She was a Worsted Spinner.

I cannot find her listed on any census 1881, 1871 or 1861 with a father called Patrick. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

In 1891 I thought I found her living at Greenaire Pl. Bradford and father was John.

Pat

Is this the family you think are yours in 1871?

If so Bridget is not a widow, all the children until Luke 8 were born in Ireland so would not be on the 1861 census.

1871 England Census
about James Durkin
Name: James Durkin
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Martin
Mother's Name: Bridget
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Bowling
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bowling
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members: Name Age
Michael Devaney 40
Ann Durkin 12
Bridget Durkin 43
Bridget Durkin 2
Ellen Durkin 10
James Durkin 14
John Durkin 16
Luke Durkin 7
Martin Durkin 49
Martin Durkin 4

Christine

I've been having real problems trying to find James Durkin 1, 2 and 3 on the various censuses as Pat says she has found them




Pat ...... could you give some more information on what the actual censuses say ...... especially yhe spellings of the names and birthplaces





sylvia

Christine,

Yes this was the one I was following, but have just realised that "Martin" is father's name and should read James.

I've obviously got the wrong one. In the 1881 - 8 Leicester St, Bridget is down as a widow, from the transcript and there are children called Luke, Ellen James, Bridget, Martin etc so I must have not read the 1871 properly. Sorry

Pat

David,

Yes that's the one I thought was correct, but if her marriage certif says father is Patrick - then it could be wrong unless he had a second name of John maybe!

Pat

It seems to be the same family as in 1881.

Christine

Sylvia,

Here goes:-

JD 1 not actually listed as being in property on 1901 or 1891 but his birth certificate states he was born at 73 Chassum St. Manningham, Bradford. Can't find him anywhere - except there's a JD nephew aged 2 listed at 26 Longcroft Place, on 1891 census, have printed that off and left myself a note querying possibility its him. He's not listed on 1901 either, but as I have birth certificate I presumed it was the correct family.

1901 Census - 73 Chassum Str. Manningham Bradf
James Durkin (2) - GGF age 49 Head - Ireland
Catherine Durkin - 11 - Bradford
Mary Durkin - 38 - Ireland
Mary A Durkin - 8 - Bradford
Winifred Durkin - 2 - Bradford

1891 Census - address as above
James Durkin 37 - Ireland
Mary Durkin 27 - Ireland
Catherine Durkin 11/12 mnths - Bradford
John Mullarkey 30 - Lodger - Ireland
Michael Kelly 29 - Lodger - Ireland

1881 Census - 8 Leicester St, Bowling, Bradford
Ann Durkin 24 - Swineford County Mayo
Bridget Durkin 52 (Head) - Swineford County Mayo
Bridget Durkin 12 - Bradford yorks
Ellen Durkin 20 - Swineford County Mayo
James Durkin 25 - Swineford County Mayo
Luke Durkin 17 - Bradford Yorks
Martin Durkin 15 - Bradford Yorks
Thomas Durkin 9 - Bradford Yorks
James Higgins 47 - Lodger

Reading other thread I've obviously got 1871 census completely wrong.

Haven't got JD 3 on any census.

Sorry don't know how to copy the actual census from ancestry.

Pat

David,

Yes that's a good theory! Problem with that is Mary was born in Ireland. How do I go about getting copy of birth cert from there I've no idea about month and only an idea what year she was born?

Pat

Christine,

Perhaps "Martin - Head" from 1871 census was just away from the address in 1881. What do you think

Pat

You say that this is your family?

1881 Census

1881 Census - 8 Leicester St, Bowling, Bradford
Ann Durkin 24 - Swineford County Mayo
Bridget Durkin 52 (Head) - Swineford County Mayo
Bridget Durkin 12 - Bradford yorks b.ca 1869
Ellen Durkin 20 - Swineford County Mayo
James Durkin 25 - Swineford County Mayo
Luke Durkin 17 - Bradford Yorks b.ca 1864
Martin Durkin 15 - Bradford Yorks b.ca 1866
Thomas Durkin 9 - Bradford Yorks b.ca 1872
James Higgins 47 - Lodger



and this is the same family in 1871, which you have just said is not your family??

1871 Census

Name: Bridget Durkin
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Martin
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Bowling
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bowling

Michael Devaney 40
Ann Durkin 12 b.ca 1859, Ireland
Bridget Durkin 43
Bridget Durkin 2 b.ca 1869, Bradford
Ellen Durkin 10 b.ca 1861, Ireland
James Durkin 14
John Durkin 16
Luke Durkin 7 b.ca 1864, Bradford
Martin Durkin 49
Martin Durkin 4 b.ca 1867, Bradford



The children on this one all match the children on the 1881




so I would suggest that you are also wrong with the 1881 census also!





sylvia

Bridget mother in 1881 is listed as Widower



sylvia

Sylvia,

I see where you're coming from now, I thought the 1881 census was the correct one because James tied in with age, occupation and mother called Bridget, but when Christine pointed out that the 1871 family were the same but with Martin as Head then it couldn't be right because James Durkin 2's father was also called James. I really am so confused I don't have any idea at this moment in time which one is likely to be my family, so I thank you for all your help and I'll start again right back to 1901. i just wish they didn't all have the same christian name.

Thank you again

Pat

This one could be yours in 1881 as his age seems to differ in 1891/1901.

Had you only presumed his mother was Bridget from the census or do you have any other evidence.

1881 England Census
about James Durkin
Name: James Durkin
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Mayo CO, Ireland

Civil Parish: Bradford
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: 91 Crown St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
<<<Occupation: Stone Masons Laborer

Registration district: Bradford
Sub registration district: Bradford, West End
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Durkin 20
James Durkin 24
John Durkin 26
John Durkin 18
Mary Durkin 24
Michael Durkin 13
Thomas Durkin 15
Ann Jennings 2
Harriet Jennings 4
John Jennings 31
Mary Jennings 26

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4452; Folio: 86; Page: 27

Were there any Durkins as witnesses on the marriage cert?

Christine

Why has no one said the obvious?

Pat is in a pickle looking for her Durkins.

Surely ..........













they were visting their cousins the Gherkins that night!

groan!!

EvieBeavie,

Great comment! good sense of humour, and boy do I need some humour!!

Thanks

Pat

Christine,

Thanks for the last info. Have stayed away from 'puter for last couple of days to try and clear my head - if possible!.

There were no Durkins as witnesses on the marriage cert, and yes I did presume the mother was Bridget from earlier census.

Pat

Glad you weren't offended! It was late at night and it really was the first thing that came to mind just from the way you put it, lol.