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Can anyone please help? I'm trying to find my g grand-father. His name was David Williams and he was living in Hull in 1883.I have his marriage certificate which says he married my g grand-mother Amy Arthur on 26/10/1883 in Hull. His fathers name was Richard Williams and Richard was a skipper, not deceased at the time of the marriage. I know David died before 1897 because Amy remarried and she was widowed. My grand-mother Lilian Isabella Williams was born 3/4/1883 in Hull.I have checked fishing archives and I know he was not lost at sea but I cannot find him in any records. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated
Janine

What was David's age on the marriage cert?

Hi Potty
David was 23
Janine

Janine, are you sure about those birth and marriage dates? I cannot find either Lillian's birth or David and Amy's marriage. Was Lilian born before the marriage and therefore registered as Lilian Arthur?

Sorry Potty
This is giving me such a headache, the marriage was 26/10/1882 not 1883. Lilian was born 3/4/1883.
On Lilians marriage certificate , her fathers name is William Williams , skipper deceased.
I really have hit a brick wall with this .I can't find a death record for David .

For ref;?

Marriages Dec 1882

Arthur Amy Hull 9d 430
WILLIAMS David Hull 9d 430

Births Sep 1883
WILLIAMS Lilian Isabella M Wirral 8a 421

Births Jun 1883
WILLIAMS Lily Isabella Hull 9d 252

or from yorkshirebmd

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1883
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WILLIAMS Lily Isabella Myton Hull MYT/139/499

Ok, found both the marriage and the birth (Lily Isabella).

So, Lily's father's name is different on the marriage cert to the birth cert?

Ann, is Myton the MMN? If so, not Janine's Lily. This is giving me a headache too!

Yes, but I don't know why.
The birth certificate definately says his name was David and the marriage certificate has his name as David too. I think David must have died when Lily was quite young and she didn't really know him.

no - Myton is the sub-district of Hull where the marriage took place

I think David and his father Richard were skippers on the trawlers but I can't find David in the fishing records. I have found a skippers log written by a skipper called Richard Williams and I will try to follow this up when the kids are back at school.Even if David was away on the trawlers at the time of the census surely I should be able to find a death record?????
Aaaaarrrgghhhh

Is this Amy's second marriage:

Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%)
Brown Margaret Jane Hull 9d 458
*****Lowden David Hull 9d 458
Mott William James Hull 9d 458
******Williams Amy Hull 9d 458
If so, is this Lily and Amy in 1891:

1891 England Census
about Lillie Lowden
Name: Lillie Lowden
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Amy
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Sutton [With Stoneferry]
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marks
Town: Sutton
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Sculcoates
Sub registration district: Sutton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Amy Lowden 28
David Lowden 25 - Seaman, born Scotland
Euphemia Lowden 1/12
Lillie Lowden 7

Maybe David (Williams) was lost at sea and Amy had to wait 7 years before he was presumed dead and she could remarry?

I wonder how Euphemia's birth was recorded?

Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1891
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District
LOWDEN Euphemia Sutton Hull

Looks like she was registered as Lowden:
Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
-Lowden Euphemia Sculcoates 9d 119

Snap, Ann!

I thought that too but David would have to have been in the merchant navy as I have searched the list of missing trawlermen and his name is not on it. Yes you have found Amy's second marriage .Euphemia was born 21/2/1891 and David Lowden was the informant. She died 8/4/1892 from bronchitis.
If David was lost at sea ,where would the death have been recorded and where would I get a certificate?
Until I can find info on David Williams I am stuck with a great big gap in my family tree .

Scope and content Divorce Court File: 9983. Appellant: David Betesh. Respondent: Louisa Betesh. Co-respondent: David Williams. Type: Husband's petition for divorce [hd].
Covering dates 1885
Availability Open Document, Open Description, Normal Closure before FOI Act: 30 years
Held by The National Archives, Kew

might be a complete red herring

have you tried looking in the local newspaper for a fishing accident - or any other type. A lot of Hull papers are transcribed on line and can be found online at at least some CRO's.

Sorry I didn't get back sooner but my husband and children were demanding to be fed. Don't they know some things are more important thn food!
If there had been a fishing accident I would have found it at the whaling museum in Hull but there isn't one. What a nightmare!

I think I'll have to put this to bed for the time being and work on it later . You never know I might just strike lucky!
Thanks Potty and Ann for your help and your time, it was much appreciated .