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I wonder what happened to Ellen when her mother died? She would only have been 10 or 11.
By 1901 she isnt living with her father or sister, though i suppose she could have married by then.

So in 1891, John is claiming he is single and Charlotte/Ann is claiming she is a widow?!

Those do like like the correct records for Charlotte Ann, thanks.

1891 as Ann? says she is a widow!!
Name: Ann Bateman
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: Hetton Le Hole
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyons St Michael and All Angels
Town: Easington Lane
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Name: Isabella Jane Bateman
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Downs, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hetton Le Hole
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyons St Michael and All Angels
Town: Easington Lane

Name: Ellen Bateman
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Hetton Le Hole
Ecclesiastical parish: Lyons St Michael and All Angels
Town: Easington Lane

do you know 1st wifes death index or could it be this one?
Name: Charlotte Ann Bateman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Year of Registration: 1893
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 35
District: Houghton Le Spring
County: Durham
Volume: 10a
Page: 267

looks like he said he was single in 1891 census!

And 1901:
Name: John Stafford
Age in 1901: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Central Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
John Cheney 30
Thomas Cobman 23
Charles Dunlang 39
William Godilall 38
Daniel Ince 58
Degon Mac Donald 40
John Martin 49
Fanny Stafford 50
John Stafford 46

I think i may have found John in 1891:
Name: John Stafford
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Canton
Town: Cardiff
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 47a
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Household Members: Name Age
Mar E Parkes 8
John Stafford 34
Fanny Watkins 38

As a lodger with a Married Fanny Watkins! This is getting more interesting now!

Thanks Janice, Chris and Julie ~ I was trying to avoid getting the certificate if at all possible but it seems it may be the only way to know for sure.

Susan ~ That is a possibility i suppose. Im also considering that maybe he died in the two years between the 1899 marriage of his daughter and the 1901 census.

Maybe they emigrated?

I really thing you'll need the cert to be 100% sure who he married especially as they can't be found on the census

I agree with Janice...

Both Fanny and Margaret have the same reference number so unless you can identify the likely partner to John in the 1901 then you will need the marriage certificate.

Chris

They do have same numbers, i think unless you can be sure of them in a census you would need the cert

Yes, thanks Susan. I had it in my head that they would have the same reference number!

I looked for the reference for John then looked at the surnames of Fanny and Margaret for the same ref, if that makes sense.

Ah i see, i didnt realise it listed wife's surnames that far back, thanks

Thanks Susan! Can i ask how you figured that out?

Gemma,
trying to find him/them through the cencus.....

Gemma. He married Fanny Watkins 11a 531 sept quater 1897. Cardiff.

Also, i need some help tracing his whereabouts after 1881.

This is what i have:
John Stafford Bateman b. AMJ 1856 Sunderland 10a 40.

1861 Census: John Stafford Bateman, aged 4 living with mother Ann (26) and Brother Thomas (2.) Sunderland, Durham.

1871 Census: John Bateman (14) with mother Ann (36), Father John (39) and siblings. Sunderland, Durham.

1881 Census: John S Bateman (24) with Wife Charlotte A (23) and daughter Isabella J. Sunderland, Durham (33 Ditchburn Terrace)

1897: Marriage (JAS) in Cardiff

06/12/1899: At marriage of his daughter Isabella Jane to Joseph George Dyke, Cardiff.

I cannot find John Stafford Bateman on the 1891 or 1901 census or a death record.

Edited to add: Thanks Kirsty, hopefully the above helps.

Gemma,
If you give me his birth details I will have a look through the cencus for you

Kirsty