Find Ancestors

Please can somebody help me ? Joseph was my gggrandfather, according to his son, Robert's marriage certificate in 1868, he was a leadminer who was deceased at the time of the marriage. I have found Robert's birth certificate and he was born in Stainmore, Westmoreland on 23.10.1845.I know this to be correct from entries in the family Bible The birth was registered by his mother named as Mary Ann Nicholson, but no father is named and there is no maiden name for Mary Ann.I have found a marriage on BMD registerd in June 1846 between a Joseph Nicholson & a Mary Ann Magee but this is after the birth of Robert. Apart from Robert's marriage certificate(which is the original so I know it is the right family) I can find nothing about Joseph(or his 'wife') Thank you in anticipation!

could this robert in 1851?

Name: Robert Nicholson
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Brough, Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Brough
Town: Brough
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: East Ward
Sub registration district: Appleby
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Nicholson 15
John Nicholson 8
Mary Ann Nicholson 34
Robert Nicholson 5

1861

Name: Robert Nicholson
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Brough, Westmorland, England

Civil Parish: Brough
Ecclesiastical parish: Carlisle
Town: Brough
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: East Ward
Sub registration district: Kirkby Stephen
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
John Nicholson 18
Mary Nicholson 7
Mary Ann Nicholson 45
Robert Nicholson 15
Thomas Nicholson 2

Hello Richard, yes he's the one!! Thank you, I wondered if he had any siblings, but still no mention of Joseph. Can't believe mary ann had several illegitimate children?

1841 England Census about Mary Nicholson
Name: Mary Nicholson
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Brough
Hundred: East
County/Island: Westmorland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

View Image
Registration district: East Ward
Sub registration district: Kirkby Stephen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizh Nicholson 5
Mary Nicholson 60
Mary Nicholson 25
Robert Nicholson 2

1871

Name: Mary Ann Nicholson
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Brough, Westmorland, England
Civil Parish: Middlesborough
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Stockton
Sub registration district: Yarm Civil Parish, Township or Place
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 285
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Chipman 8
William Chipman 12
John Haddock 48
John Lishman 36
Mary Nicholson 17
Mary Ann Nicholson 56

states that mary ann is a widow, but 1851 she was unmarried.
Other people are lodgers that work in the iron works.

1851 and 1861 census images do list Mary Ann as Unmarried.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


ROBERT NICHOLSON Pedigree
Male


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 DEC 1845 Brough Under Stainmore, Westmorland, England

Death:
Burial:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Mother: MARY ANNE NICHOLSON Family


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C003132 1813 - 1827 0097355 Film 0933416 Film

C003132 1828 - 1874 0097356 Film NONE


Sheet: 00

May be she was Joseph's common law wife do you think? But then Joseph was def deceased at the time of Robert's marriage.

Looks as though Mary Ann had two sons named Robert as there is one listed on the 1841 census aged 2.

Illegitimate children often made up a father's name and occupation upon their marriage.

looks like mary ann,s death.

Name: Mary Ann Nicholson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Year of Registration: 1881
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 63
District: Kendal (1837-1937)
County: Lancashire, Westmorland
Volume: 10b
Page: 381

Pam, that is a great find, thank you so much!

The first Robert Nicholson:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


ROBERT NICHOLSON Pedigree
Male


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 07 SEP 1838 Stainmore, Westmorland, England

Death:
Burial:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Mother: MARY ANN NICHOLSON Family


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C055741 1795 - 1856 0097417 Film 0883733 Film


Sheet: 00

I guess so, and putting lead miner would 'explain' an early death.

It look s as if Mary Ann moved to Stockton when Robert got married as that is where he was(he was an engine driver) and then returned to Westmoreland for some reason.

Possible death of the first Robert Nicholson

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deaths Jun 1841 (99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NICHOLSON Robert E.Ward 25 320

ELIZABETH NICHOLSON Pedigree
Female


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 18 DEC 1835 Brough Under Stainmore, Westmorland, England

Death:
Burial:


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Parents:
Mother: MARY ANNE NICHOLSON Family


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date

Richard, Pam, Seaham Lass, thank you all so much, you have expanded my tree - not in quite the way I imagined, the lead miner story has always been in family folk lore- but it now looks as if I'll never know who Robert's father was. You've all been great, so helpful to us newbies!