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I hope someone may be able to find what I cannot.

I am looking for parents of Isaac Dale b.1842 Therfield, Hertfordshire. I have Isaac on the 1851 census with his grandparents Joseph Dale b.1785 and Sarah b.1791 and sister Martha b.1847 living in Therfield.

I cannot find Joseph and Sarah anywhere on the 1841 census to see if they had any children living with them, who could possibly be Isaac’s father.

I attach the 1851 census for your reference.

1851 England Census about Joseph Dale
Name: Joseph Dale Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Barkway, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Therfield
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image

Registration district: Royston
Sub registration district: Buntingford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Dale 9
Joseph Dale 66
Martha Dale 4
Sarah Dale 60

I will be around for about half an hour this evening, but will check back tomorrow. Many thanks. Pat.

Is this Isaacs birth maybe?

The cert will tell you his parents names.


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Births Mar 1842 (>99%)
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Dale Isaac Royston 6 593

from International genealogical Index on www.familyseach.org

It is an Extracted record, taken from the actual parish record

MARTHA DALE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 JUL 1845 Therfield, Hertford, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Mother: ELIZA DALE Family

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C048911 1706 - 1850 0569791 Film 6911461 Film



couldn't find Isaac though!



sylvia

NOTE:-


The image on the 1851 says ORPHAN for both Isaac and Martha





sylvia

Thanks Chrisa and Sylvia

I did not think to check if Martha was on the IGI. Silly me. However, I had already checked the IGI for children of Joseph and Sarah and found the following:-

1. JAMES DALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 NOV 1815 Braughing, Hertford, England

2. JOSEPH DALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 APR 1811 Braughing, Hertford, England

3. ELIZA DALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 16 JAN 1814 Braughing, Hertford, England

4. ELIZA DALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 25 JAN 1818 Braughing, Hertford, England

5. MARY DALE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 18 SEP 1808 Braughing, Hertford, England

There is an Eliza who could also be Isaac's mother. I will send for the certificate to be sure.

Thanks again. Pat

and in 1861, in case you don't have it.


1861 Census

Name: Sarah Dale
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hromead, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Therfield
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub registration district: Royston
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 73
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Dale 19 b.ca 1842, Grandson, Ag Lab
Martha Dale 16 b.ca 1845, Granddaughter, Field Worker
Sarah Dale 72



sylvia

Hi Sylvia

I had not spotted they were both orphans. It does help to have a fresh pair of eyes.

So I checked on FreeBMD to find Eliza's death -
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Deaths Mar 1851 (>99%)
DALE Eliza Royston 6 419

What a sad story, but at least I have got to the bottom of it thanks to you both.

Thanks Sylvia for the 1861. I had not got that one. I had the 1881 where Isaac had a 13 year old son Isaac and a new wife (much older than himself who was Mary Ann (nee Watson) whom I was researching until I stumbled on a new line). I have not been able to find 13 year old Isaac's mother yet. She must have died before the 1881 census.

Thanks for that. Pat

Patricia

He wasn't married before!!!!


1871 Census

Name: Isaac T Sales <<<<<< Dales on image
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Therfield, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Therfield
Town: Therfield
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub registration district: Royston
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac T Sales 29 Unm, Lodger, Ag Lab
Clara J Watson 11 b.ca 1860, Therfield
Isaac A Watson 3 b.ca 1868, Therfield
Mary A Watson 46 b.ca 1825, Therfield, Head, Widow, Labourer's Widow

Address:- Wicker Hall, Therfield



sylvia

Marriage registration from freebmd

Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)

Dale Isaac Tilley Royston 3a 408
Watson Mary Ann Royston 3a 408



I wonder where the "Tilley" comes from??? Could it be a hint that that was from his father????????



sylvia

1891 Census .... in case!!

Name: Isaac T Dale
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann
Gender: Male
Where born: Therfield, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Bassingbourn
Ecclesiastical parish: Royston
Town: Bassingbourn
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub registration district: Melbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Anna Cummings 10/12 Visitor
Isaac T Dale 49 Gardener
Maryann Dale 65
Clara B Watson 12 Granddaughter

Address:- Mackerel Hall, Bassingbourn



sylvia

and 1901

Name: Isaac Dale
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Nary
Gender: Male
Where born: Therfield, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Royston
Ecclesiastical parish: Royston St John the Baptist
Town: Royston
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub registration district: Melbourn
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 3
Household Members: Name Age
Isaac Dale 59 Gardener
Nary Dale 75
Clara Walson 22 Granddaughter, Dressmaker on won account at home

Address:- 1 Mackrel Hall


sylvia

Mary Watson in 1861

1861 Census

Name: Mary A Watson
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Therfield, Hertfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Royston
Town: Royston
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England

Registration district: Royston
Sub registration district: Royston
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 128
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Wake 14 Son-in-law <<<<< a term used for step son
Caroline Watson 4
Clard Watson 1
Henry Watson 9
Mary A Watson 36
Mary A Watson 24 Deaf and blind with an age (??) from fever
Walter Watson 10
William Watson 52
William Watson 15




sylvia

Sylvia I have just got back from a long day out to find you have been very busy.

I cannot thank you enough for all the research you have dione for me.

So it would appear from the 1871 census that Isaac Dale was Mary's lodger. Mary had a child Isaac Watson born 1868 (nothing on IGI). Husband William Watson died sometime in the 1860s as Mary was given as a widow. Isaac could have been Isaac Dale's child and they married later in 1873 and by 1881 he had taken the name Isaac Dale. Sounds very promising.

Many many thanks once again for all your hard work. Pat

Pat

You're very welcome


sylvia

Possible death registrations for William Watson (assuming he died in the Royston registration district!!), 1861 to 1871


Deaths Mar 1864 (>99%)

Watson William Royston 3a 181


Deaths Sep 1864 (>99%)

WATSON William Royston 3a 165


Deaths Jun 1865 (>99%)

Watson William Royston 3a 161


Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%)

WATSON William 78 Royston 3a 197


I do think number 4 is too old!! Unfortunately the age is not given for the earlier ones. But they are also all before baby Isaac was born, which increases the chance that he was Isaac sr. son!!




sylvia

Hi again Sylvia

Thanks for possible deaths for William Watson. I think it has to be one of them - will follow that up later.

I googled Therfield Burials and found a brilliant website - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.hagger1/Therfield/index.htm

There is all sorts on there - 1841 census for the Dale family as follows:-

1841 Census Therfield
Surname Forenames Age Born Herts? Fol. Ref.
Dale Joseph 55 Y 22 132 *
Dale Sarah 43 Y 22 132 *
Dale Eliza 23 Y 22 132 *
Dale Sarah 14 Y 22 132 *
This is the family and here also is Eliza

Dale John 43 Y 6 30
Dale Mary 52 Y 6 30

Dale Joseph 30 Y 12 92
Dale Sarah 25 Y 12 92
Dale Mary 8 Y 12 92
Dale John 5 Y 12 92
I think this is Joseph and Sarah's son Joseph.

Dale Susan 20 Y 11 78

Mary Ann was bapt 5.9.1824 in Therfield as MARY ANN WAKE - married William WATSON - married ISAAC DALE.

I have also found Mary Ann on the 1841 census from this website, so I checked back again with Ancestry with the folio nos. etc but there was still nothing, so I now believe that the 1841 census for Therfield has not been transcribed onto Ancestry. That is why I could not find anything.

This has been a very exciting few days for me as I have found out so much, especially with your help for which I am extremely grateful. If there is anything at all I could perhaps help you with, please let me know. I live in Lincolnshire in the UK.

Pat