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Wow! thanks a lot everyone, it will take me ages to get this lot through my head! I am new to all this and finding it tough going! Your help is always appreciated.

annette

Found this record in 1860.

1860 United States Federal Census
about Richard D Ragland
Name: Richard D Ragland
Age in 1860: 30
Birth Year: abt 1830
Birthplace: Virginia
Home in 1860: District 1, Buckingham, Virginia
Gender: Male
Post Office: Buckingham Court House
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Richard D Ragland 30, carpenter
Julia A Ragland 17
Nathaniel Ragland 6

It's possible that Richard may have been married before. There was two other Ragland families living next door, Benjamin and William--possible brothers

Found this record on Ancestry.com

U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865
about Richard Ragland
Name: Richard Ragland
Side: Confederate
Regiment State/Origin: Virginia
Regiment Name: 59 Virginia Infantry
Regiment Name Expanded: 59th Regiment, Virginia Infantry
COMPANY: E
Rank In: Private
Rank In Expanded: Private
Rank Out: Private
Rank Out Expanded: Private
Film Number: M382 roll 45

I believe Sarah married Richard Ragler/Ragland and lived in the USA, she then returned to UK with the 2 children presumably as a widow and remarried Middleton. Your right Margaret it was Ellen who married John Hall Fell. I'm confusing myself now!!!

Thanks again everyone

Annette

Her son's birth
Joseph Ragland Middleton 1891 Jan-Feb-Mar Ulverston Cumbria,
and daughter
Florence Middleton 1893 Oct-Nov-Dec Ulverston Cumbria, Lancashire

Annette, why don't you just order the marriage certificate for John Middleton & Sarah Ragland. It would give you her maiden name and her father's name. It's June quarter 1888, 8e 1146, Ulverston.

I believe it was Sarah's daughter Ellen who Married John Hall Fell. Sarah married John Middleton.

And I thought that Sarah married John Middleton.
Her father's name and her maiden should be on that cert.

Thanks everyone! Sorry Joan, the surname is Ragland for Richard and Sarahs maiden name is unknown, hence trying to track down marriage certificate.
Sarah did go on to marry John Hall FELL in the UK, but by then she is listed as Ragland, still no maiden name!

Many thanks to all who replied.
Annette

1901 census
Main Rd., Halton West, Settle, Skipton, Yorkshire
John Hall Fell, head, 41, general estate labourer, born Yorks, Settle
Ellen, wife, 25, born United States, New Jersey (British Subject)
Gordon W.R., son, 4, born Lancs, Lindal
Sarah J., dau, 1, born Yorks, Halton West

Here's the link for the Municiple Archives (birth and death records prior to 1910.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/birth.shtml

Joan

Annette,

According to the 1880 U.S. Census, both children were born in New York. They were residing in Brooklyn, Kings County in 1880. Now, if they married in Brooklyn, you would have to contact Brooklyn for the marriage record--abt. 1875.

For Reference, here is the 1880 Census:

1880 United States Federal Census
about Rich'd Ragler
Name: Rich'd Ragler
Home in 1880: Kings (Brooklyn), New York City-Greater, New York
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Birthplace: Virginia
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Father's birthplace: Virginia
Mother's birthplace: Virginia
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Capt. Grain Elevator
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Rich'd Ragler 46
Sarah Ragler 46
Ellen Ragler 5
Mary Francis Ragler 1

It's Rich'd Ragler on the 1880 US census.

Ellen Christina Ragland married either John Henry Brockbank or John Hall Fell, Dec. Q 1897, Ulverston. (8e 1281)

Annette,

I'm a little confused--is it Richard Ragland or Sarah ? (maiden name). What name did you find them in 1880?

Daughter Ellen is a servant in Ulverston, Lancashire on 1891 census, She's aged 15, born America, Brooklyn.

Annette,

In order to obtain a marriage certificate here in the States, you need to know what City, State and approximate year of marriage.

Joan

marriage
John Middleton 1888 Apr-May-Jun Ulverston Cumbria, Lancashire
View Record
Sarah Ragland

Doubt that you will find it online.

1891 England Census
about Mary F Ragland
Name: Mary F Ragland
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: New York, United States

Civil Parish: Upper Allithwaite
Ecclesiastical parish: Lindale St Paul
Town: Lindale
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ulverston
Sub registration district: Cartmel
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Middleton 43
Joseph K Middleton 6/12
Mary A Middleton 8
Sarah Middleton 41
Sarah J Middleton 8
William Middleton 13
Mary F Ragland 11