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No more information from the Ancestry post. What a shame. Back to the drawing board.
Gail

Hi Lisa,
Usually to contact someone on Ancestry you click on "tree owner" then click on "contact". The messages go through Ancestry so they don't know your name or address and you don't know theirs unless you choose to exchage addresses.

I can't access their information, but they don't have anything else about Frederick's family.

They do have information about Blanche and her parents:
Frencis Shackell, born 1857
Annie Perry, born 1861

Blanche's siblings:
Annie C Shackell 1881–
Florence D Shackell 1882–
Edith Shackell 1886–
Blanche G Shackell 1887–
Francis Shackell 1889–
Nelly Blanch Shackell 1890–1890
Emma Marion Shackell 1892–
James Shackell 1896–

Perhaps someone can tell you how you can contact the person submitting the information.

Lisa,
He is one of mine but i did not post on Ancestry I did not know you could put posts on there. I am not a member of Ancestry.
Gail

Did you or someone else post on Ancestry?
Joshua Alfred E Ellis
Born: SEP 1889 Holborn
Married: Blanche Gertrude Shackell, June 1914, Islington. Blanche born 1887

That is my family in 1901.
I am so pleased with all this. Thank you all for your time.
Gail

Rose,
So do you think two brothers married two sisters.
I do have a Blanche married to an Joshua Ellis.

Possible marriage of Emma's parents

Marriages Sep 1880
Perry Annie Islington 1b 404
Shackell Francis Islington 1b 404

Possibly Frederick?
1901 census
72 Lever St., Finsburg or Finsbury, Holborn, London
Joshua Ellis, head, 55, tailor, born Yorkshire, Dewsbury
Mary E., wife, born Kent, Rochester
Joshua, son, 11, born London, St. Luke
Jane D., dau, 19, polisher painos?, born London, Clerkenwell
Rose, dau, 16, fancy box maker, born London, St. Luke
Maud, dau, 14, perfumer powder, born London, St. Luke
*Frederick, son, 7, born London, St. Luke

I found city directories for Montreal. I do not see Frederick in Montreal 1919-1920. Haven't checked other years.
http://bibnum2.bnquebec.ca/bna/lovell/index.html

Note: According to their immigration record, Emma's mother was Edith "Slacker" (or Shacher) or anything else close to that spelling.

1918 directory has a Fred Ellis, pattern maker.

Did Blanche marry Frederick's brother?

Marriages Jun 1914
ELLIS Joshua A E A Shackell Islington 1b 496
Shackell Blanche G Ellis Islington 1b 496

Rose

Thank you all so much for your input.
No I do not know for sure that they were married in Montreal. Tobe honest I don't know much about them at all.
Gail

1901 England Census
about Emma Shackell
Name: Emma Shackell
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Francis
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil Parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Islington
Sub registration district: Islington, South-East
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 197
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Shackell 40
Blanch Shackell 13
Edith Shackell 16
Emma Shackell 9
Florence Shackell 18
Francis Shackell 44
Francis Shackell 11
James Shackell 5
James Young 62

Rose

deleted wrong marriage

If Emma is visiting her mother in Islington, this is a possible birth

Births Mar 1892
Shackell Emma Marion Islington 1b 377

Do you know for certain that they married in Montreal, Gail?

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name: Emma Ellis
Arrival Date: Feb 1919
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English
Port of Arrival: Island Pond, Vermont, USA

According to the immigration record (which I'm having difficulty reading):
Mother? Mrs. Edith Slacker??, Islington, Eng
Emma born England
She was 5'1"
L. Brn Hair
Eyes: looks like Gr, cannot tell
Frederick: 5'8-1/2"?; dark? hair; Bro? eyes; born Eng, Fins?burg

This could be his birth reference. Holborn is in London.

Births Jun 1893
Ellis Frederick Charles J Holborn 1b 770

Hey that does seem to make sense. This now opens up a whole list of questions.
Did they stay in England?
Was his wife from Canada?
What was her surname?
I could go on.

I think what Lisa is saying makes sense. If they were going back to England, they were probably heading for New York or Boston to board a ship. If they were leaving Montreal by car, Island Pond, Vermont could be the border crossing location.. being south of Montreal.