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Hi Ozibird

Thanks for your time in looking. I have searched the deaths on genes page by page and none of the Richard Burns tie with either age or place.

I'm really stuck as to where to go next .. his wife Margaret Richards is just as ellusive.

Thanks again for looking.

Melanie

I just don't know where else to go on this one. I've been looking for letter carrying Thomas's with no luck. Have you found Richard's death index? That cert might have a date of birth (I'm not sure when they started doing that) which maybe some time to start.

I have searched for a Richard Burns born in St George's East and in just Middlesex but am pretty new to this and not sure where to look next.

Thanks

Melanie

Is your birthplace for Richard dependent on the 1871 census? If so he may have been born elsewhere.

Hi Ozibird

Have him:

1923 Marriage Cert of his son Percy
Fleetwood, Lancashire
Father: Richard Burns
Marine Engineer
Born: London

1901 census
35 Preston Street, Fleetwood, Lancashire
Marine engineer
age: 31

Percy Burns birth cert 1894
Pill Point, Milford, Haverfordwest
Father: Richard Burns
Fisherman

1893 Marriage cert Richard Burns /Margaret Richards
1893 .. Haverfordwest
Occ: Fisherman
Age: 24
Father: Thomas Burns (deceased) .. Letter Carrier

Apart from this the man dissapears !

Thanks

Melanie

The ages do not tie between the above census' and Ellen is shown in 1871 as being born in Waterford, Ireland and then in 1891 Whitechapel London but there is so much that is right about the rest of the information it still makes me think it is right ?!

Melanie

Hi Ozibird

Presuming the 1871 census is correct .. I can find all the older children born in Whitechapel, London but the youngest 2 Thomas and Richard born St Georges in the East, Middlesex I can't find no matter how I look for them.

Thanks

Melanie

Have you found his birth?

Update - so you have his marriage cert? Have you found him on any census?

Thnakyou so much for the above information everyone.

I had the 1871 census with Thomas and Ellen as a very possible but couldn't link Thomas Dockyard Labourer to Thomas Letter Carrier as stated on Richards Marriage Cert. This is now looking as though it is the one.

I still can't find where Richard is later on or pinpoint his birth but have found through looking for other ellusive people that the way to find them is to investigate the people around them.

Thank you once again for all your help.

Melanie

This was the family I think I've been following.


1871 England Census
Name: Richard Burns
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: St George in The East, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St George in The East
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: St George In The East
Sub registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 3b
Household schedule number: 166
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Burns 49
Ellen Burns 40
John Burns 18
William Burns 15
David Burns 11
Mary Burns 10
Thomas Burns 4
Richard Burns 2

The William doesn't fit though, does he. He's too young compared to 1871.

Hi

Sorry am taking my time to respond but am just trying to take it all in .. information overload !!

Melanie

1891 England Census
Name: Ellen Hankey
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: Stepney St Phillips
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 53 Varden St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hankey 57 - tailor
Ellen Hankey 44
William Hankey 27 - stepson; letter sorter; Whitechapel
Thomas Hankey 23 - stepson; warehouseman; St georges in the East

1901 England Census
Name: Ellen Hankey
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Stratford Bow
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 8 Trellis Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: widow

Registration district: Poplar
Sub registration district: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 360
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Hankey 55
William Burns 36 - son; retired letter sorter; Stepney
Thomas Burns 32 - son; commercial clerk; Stepney

Or Hunkey.

Marriages Dec 1875
BROWN Mary Ann Whitechapel 1c 917
>>>>Burns Ellen Whitechapel 1c 917
>>>>Hunkey Charles Whitechapel 1c 917
Toone John James Whitechapel 1c 917

Fortune isn't smiling.

2 Richard Burns both born Scotland.

Why do you think Scotland? Looking at the census I have the impression that his mother, Ellen, remarried a Hankey.

Richard Burns
b c1870 .. London

If fortune is smiling on me he will be living with his father Thomas Burns who is a Letter Carrier.

Thanks

Melanie