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Susan

Susan Report 11 Jul 2008 11:41

we think that it is John and Whevlica Lina Chivers that are the parents of Christina Chivers

Susan

Susan Report 10 Jul 2008 18:08

both isabell and albert have died.we only have the bible with bits and pieces in it to go by.like l said l will have to wait until l see my sister -in-law to find out more.as she live in somerset and l live in cornwall.

JenW

JenW Report 9 Jul 2008 23:29

this is the only howard-chivers marriage i can find.

Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
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CHIVERS Emily Rosina Alton 2c 357
Howard Francis Charles Alton 2c 357
Simpson George Alton 2c 357
WHITE Louisa Alton 2c 357

JenW

JenW Report 9 Jul 2008 23:28

these 2 arent children of christina and francis as well are they?

Births Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Howard Frederick J W Chivers Portsmouth 2b 993

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Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
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Howard Cyril E Chivers Portsmouth 2b 824

JenW

JenW Report 9 Jul 2008 23:26

sorry, i cant find a marriage for christina and francis

Susan

Susan Report 9 Jul 2008 21:36

Yes she married a Francis Howard don't know what year sorry,l don't have the bible my sister-in-law has it.and l won't be seeing her until the end of the month.Francis and Christina had a son Albert born 1920 and mother-in-law Isabell born 1927,

Penny

Penny Report 9 Jul 2008 07:43

so is her birth date in this bible?

can you type out for us exactly what it says in this bible?

I really wouldnt worry too much about the spelling Shivers/Chivers - people were not as good as spelling as we are today, due to poorer education, and if it was pronounced Shivers, that is how they'd have written it.

There is also the 'made a mistake' idea - just as you have in your message above - calling her Christina in on sentance & christine in another - from that i wouldn't assume her name changed, just that an error was made.

Did Christina marry?

Susan

Susan Report 8 Jul 2008 09:43

Hi everyone, sorry l not much help trying to find family on my mother-in-laws side.all that we know is her name was christina chivers which is on my mother-in-laws birth cert; but in her bible she is down as christina shivers??and that her mother or grandmother/father was from lreland don't know which one.christine was born on the 9th june 1889 died 30thjuly1945 in bristol.

Penny

Penny Report 8 Jul 2008 06:02

the whole thing is complicated by there being two families, both have wives with odd names.

1891
Christena Chivers
parents John & Arthurianna
born abt 1886 Welton Daughter Midsomer Norton, Somerset

Christina Chivers
parents John & Whevlica Lina
born abt 1889 Midsomer Norton Daughter Midsomer Norton, Somerset

JenW

JenW Report 7 Jul 2008 23:09

well it certainly looks like it. a bit of a coincidence with the childrens names. especially since they're not exactly common names!

Penny

Penny Report 7 Jul 2008 22:52

its all a bit acedemic until susan returns & tells us they are even from Somerset really

JenW

JenW Report 7 Jul 2008 22:48

and theres another chivers family on the same page as that one.

JenW

JenW Report 7 Jul 2008 22:45

im so confused, 1891 with atharianna on it

1891 England Census
about Rhoda Chivers
Name: Rhoda Chivers
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Arthurianna
Gender: Female
Where born: Welton

Civil Parish: Midsomer Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Clutton
Sub registration district: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Hester Bath 82
Chivers 14 days
Arthurianna Chivers 36
Christena Chivers 5
John Chivers 36
Rhoda Chivers 8


JenW

JenW Report 7 Jul 2008 22:44

this is an alternative name listed for whevlica

Atharianna Chivers

in which case this would be the marriage

Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)
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Chivers Atharianna Clutton 5c 947
Chivers John Clutton 5c 947

Penny

Penny Report 7 Jul 2008 22:42

1901 to go with my 1891

Name: Atherine A Chivers
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Midsomer Norton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Midsomer Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Midsomer Norton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Clutton
Sub registration district: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 72
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Chivers 10
Atherine A Chivers 46
Elsie Chivers 7
Hilda Chivers 4
John Chivers 46

JenW

JenW Report 7 Jul 2008 22:40

the other two look like they're correct but this would be the correct rhoda for this family

Births Mar 1883 (>99%)
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CHIVERS Rhoda Louisa Clutton 5c 592



1891 England Census
about Rhoda Chivers
Name: Rhoda Chivers
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Whevlica Lina
Gender: Female
Where born: Midsomer Norton

Civil Parish: Midsomer Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Clutton
Sub registration district: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Chivers 2
John Chivers 36
Leonora Chivers 5
Rhoda Chivers 8
Whevlica Lina Chivers 36


Penny

Penny Report 7 Jul 2008 22:37

1901 England Census
about Rhoda Chivers
Name: Rhoda Chivers
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Midsomer Norton

Civil Parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Tyndalls Park St Mary the Virgin
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

JenW

JenW Report 7 Jul 2008 22:37

the rhoda you find would fit with this family

1881 England Census
about Rhoda Chivers
Name: Rhoda Chivers
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Welton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Midsomer Norton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: Bineer Lodge
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Clutton
Sub registration district: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Chivers 46
James Chivers 7
John Chivers 34
John Chivers 10
Rhoda Chivers 12


1891 England Census
about Rodha Chivers
Name: Rodha Chivers
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Welton, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Midsomer Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Clandown
Town: Welton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Clutton
Sub registration district: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Chivers 5/12
Eliza M Chivers 2
James Chivers 16
John Chivers 44
John Chivers 18
Rodha Chivers 20


Penny

Penny Report 7 Jul 2008 22:35

1891 England Census
about Christina Chivers
Name: Christina Chivers
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Whevlica Lina
Gender: Female
Where born: Midsomer Norton

Civil Parish: Midsomer Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Clutton
Sub registration district: Midsomer Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Christina Chivers 2
John Chivers 36
Leonora Chivers 5
Rhoda Chivers 8
Whevlica Lina Chivers 36 born: Midsomer Norton

all born: Midsomer Norton actually


Penny

Penny Report 7 Jul 2008 22:33

bit of a big gap - who know??!!

Name: Rhoda Eliza Chivers
Year of Registration: 1868
Not yours see below - thanks Jenna

Name: Leonora Mary Chivers
Year of Registration: 1885
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Clutton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 514

bit of a coincedence if its not them

Name: Christina Maria Chivers
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Clutton
County: Somerset
Volume: 5c
Page: 558