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Lord, Dawn, I don't know what more anybody could say.

The only way you are going to get the date of the month when she was born is to order her birth certificate.

And the only way you're going to find out whether she had any children is to get your own subscription to Ancestry and read through the pages of the General Register Office index, quarter by quarter, for the years after her divorce, looking to see whether she married again.

And then do it again, looking for the births of children with the name of her new husband and mother Terry.

And meanwhile, hope that if she did have children she was married to the father, because otherwise you don't have the proverbial snowball's chance.

Because really, nobody else is likely to do that for free.

But if you prefer to wait for magic, you can do that too.

i no what a birth certificate will tell you. But its not that i need!
Its the date of the month i need not a birth certificate!
Thank you for the above infomation but its jessies children i want to find not her brothers and sisters

Oh, Dawn.

It's Jessie's BIRTH certificate you need.

Her BIRTH certificate will TELL you her date of birth.

Her birth certificate is THE ONLY WAY you are going to find out what her date of birth is.

When you KNOW her date of birth, THEN you can see whether there is a death that matches it.

Dawn.

Go here:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

-- look in the lower left and click on "Search".

Then select "births" at the top.

for surname, put Terry
for mother's surname, put Kirk

click "Find" in the lower right.

You will see a total of 5 births from 1912 to 1928, in Marylebone and Pancras registry districts, with surname Terry and mother Kirk.

I would *guess* that the 1914 birth in Marylebone is a brother of your Jessie, if that is the right Jessie.

I would suspect that the 1920-1928 births in Pancras are another couple. But they could be children of your Jessie's parents. The only way to know is to order one of the birth certificates.

Now, your Terry & Kirk married in 1909. They could have had children before Jessie.

Do a new search at FreeBMD.

Search for

births
surname Terry
district St Marylebone
years 1909 to 1912

(You pick the district out of the list on the right)

You will see two Terry births before 1912. They could very well be sisters of your Jessie too.

Again, you simply have to get the birth certificates -- which have the parents' names -- to know for sure.


This information is all available *free of charge* and very easily at FreeBMD. It's the work that needs to be done if you want to find the answers to your questions.

And it's work that you can do for yourself! You're the one who will have to order the birth certificates, so you need to check the information even if someone else tells you what it is.

i no that couldnt order death certificate as i need date of death i only have month and year. so if u no how to get the date then please tell me

So Dawn -- did you order her birth certificate?

If you actually want to find some answers, that's what you'll start with.

If you think answers are going to drop into your lap by magic, well, just keep on asking the question!

if anyone nos of any children of jessie baker nee terry would they please reply

Take the info I copied for you -- her birth record.

You need this info from it:

quarter
year
names
district
volume no.
page no.

It's all there.

Go to the link I gave you for the GRO.

Do the payment stuff -- you need some kind of card to pay with.

When it asks you whether you have the GRO reference, you say "yes" -- that's the volume and page number business.

Just fill out the info in the form, as per the list above, with the info I copied for the birth of Jessie E Terry.

Submit it all, and you should have the certificate in a week or so, as I understand it. (Takes two weeks to Canada, but they might still be backed up.)

The only date you need to order the certificate is Year + Quarter (jan-feb-mar 1912). You need the certificate to get the actual date. ;)

Well i cant get any certificate without proper dates.
at the moment im only getting months and the years not proper dates!
How do i get the full dates then ?
thanks

Dawn -- there is absolutely no way of knowing whether she had children after her divorce, without knowing what surname they would have been registered in. Births can only be searched for by the surname of the child.

I recommend trying to find her death first, to be sure of her surname when she died.

If she died before 1984, that won't be easy.

To find a marriage after her divorce, someone who pays for access to Ancestry has to download four images for each year, and search the Bakers for a Jessie E getting married in a likely place. That would give her new surname.

Then someone would have to do the same thing -- download four images (or more) for each year, and search for children with the new surname and mother Baker.

Or she might have not married, and she might have had children and registered them under (a) her first married surname, (b) the surname of the father, or (c) her birth surname. This possibility means that the search wouldn't just be time-consuming, it might be completely pointless! if you didn't even know what surname to be looking for.

Get the birth cert, and then we'll talk!

Oh, I meant to explain --

Anybody who has posted in this thread will see it up at the top of their own "My Threads" list any time you put any new info in it. It will also get bumped back up to the top of the Trying to Find board.

(If you see "remove this filter" over on the left of your screen, click on it. You'll see the whole Trying to Find board that we're looking at, not the board for just one surname, in case that's where you put the post.)

When you do that, you might also change the subject line (use the "edit" link in your first post).

I would make it

Jessie Elizabeth Baker 1912 - New Info

-- once you have new info -- so other people might be more likely to look at it too.

Ok thank you KathrynB i will get her birth certificate but i want to know if she has had any children after the first marrage i know of.
Could you be able to help with this please?
Could you email me it please
Thanks Dawn

Dawn -- have you deleted all the other threads? One post per topic. Otherwise, people waste their time. Just click on "my threads" on the left hand side, and then open each thread and click on "delete" in the lower right of your first post, and the entire thread will be deleted.

My recommendatinon is: get her birth certificate so you have her exact date of birth.

Name: Jessie E Terry
Year of Registration: 1912
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's Maiden Name: Kirk
District: St Marylebone (1902-1977)
County: Greater London, London
Volume: 1a
Page: 1036

With that info, you can order the certificate for 7 pounds on line from:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates

Then bring the birthdate info back to your thread here, and a search of the death index can be done for starters. (She may have died before 1984, of course.)

Particularly because a birth registered in Q1 1912 could have happened in late 1911, it's important to have her birthdate.

ok, that i cant help you with. i only know how to get back at this point

parents marriage

Marriages Sep 1852 (>99%)
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LUXFORD Adeline Marylebone 1a 678
TERRY Henry Marylebone 1a 678


and them in 1861

1861 England Census
about Arthur G Terry
Name: Arthur G Terry
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Adeline
Gender: Male
Where born: Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Somers Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 270
Household Members: Name Age
Adeline Terry 35
Adeline Terry 7 Mo
Arthur G Terry 3
Henry Terry 35

What I meant to say -- if you get her birth certificate, it will give you her exact date of birth.

The death index after 1984 can be searched by given name and date of birth alone, without a surname.

That way, if she did remarry so you don't have her surname, it might be possible to identify a possibility for her death. With the surname, a matching marriage could be searched for -- a much more time-consuming process, before 1984, involving searching through the images on line.

Thank you for this information it is very helpfull.
I am looking to see if Jessie had any children and thier details after her devorce to lenoard baker.
If you can help me with this please get in touch.
Thank you very much

Dawn

fathers birth

Births Sep 1863 (>99%)
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TERRY Oscar Henry Marylebone 1a 407


1871 England Census
about Oscar Terry
Name: Oscar Terry
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Adeline
Gender: Male
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Household schedule number: 315
Household Members: Name Age
Adeline Terry 39
Adeline Terry 10
Arthur Terry 13
Oscar Terry 7

Dawn -- you're looking for info about her after her children last saw her?

Born in 1912, the odds are very high that she has died.

The birth date on this death record is slightly off, but the name and location fit.


Name: Jessie Elizabeth Baker
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1912
Death Registration Month/Year: Jul 1986
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Gravesend
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 828


Sometimes the people who report deaths don't know the correct date of birth. It could be she was born in November 1911 and her birth registered in early 1912, for example, and was thought to be a year younger than she was.

Getting the death certificate could tell you something -- possibly an address or family member's name -- that would rule that death out, or confirm it as your Jessie.

looks like him on the censuses

1901 England Census
about Henry J Terry
Name: Henry J Terry
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Oscar H
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: St Marylebone, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Terry 34
Henry J Terry 11
Oscar H Terry 37
Oscar W Terry 6
Thomas R Terry 1


1891 England Census
about Henry Terry
Name: Henry Terry
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Oscar H
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: St Marylebone, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Pauls
Town: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Christchurch
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Terry 24
Henry Terry 1
Oscar H Terry 27




parents marriage

Marriages Jun 1887 (47%)
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Terry Oscar Henry Marylebone 1a 1039
Williams Eliza Marylebone 1a 1039