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I think John Gooch's parents were John Gooch born roughly 1729 and Ann Jeffries born 1733, but I'm not sure. I found it on familysearch.org but there were a few. Any way I can find out which one?
Also I think Elizabeth Markham's parents were Thomas and Elizabeth - but I don't know their DOBs, DOMs or DODs or Elizabeth Jr's MMN.
I also think Samuel Gooch had a brother called John but he died two weeks old. It said John's mother was Mary Gooch on the cosford database but there was no father.
Any help would be much appreciated
David

Oh one thing I found out...
One of my second cousins is also tracing his family tree. He said that his grandfather - Maurice (Harry and Emma's son) - always said that his mother's maiden name was Emma Hammond not Emma Marshall. I looked up birth of Emma Marshall and didn't find any born in Stow Suffolk, but I have looked in the trees on here and found two people with an Emma Hammond born in 1863 in Stow Upland, so could anyone find the record with her getting married?
Thanks,
David

Hi David,

Have been looking but I cannot find anything new for you.

Will keep at it and let you know if I find anything.

Sorry...

Dea x

David,

Have to cook Dinner - I will be back on later and will help if I can.

Dea x

Thanks a lot Dea,
That website looks very helpful. I have found other people who had the same ancestors as me and they backed up the information. I have found that Elizabeth Gooch's maiden name was Markham and she was born about 1758 and she was buried on 20 May 1849 in Cockfield, Suffolk, England. She was married to John Gooch who was born about 1760 and he was buried on 26 Jan 1837 in Lavenham, Suffolk, England. I have looked on familysearch.org to try and find the names of their parents but there were lots of Elizabeth Markhams and John Goochs born about then. I found the record of their marriage on 11 Oct 1785 but I don't know how to find out who their parents were. Can you help please? It also looks like Mary Gooch was a single mother but I think she may have had another son called John in 1828 but he died at about two weeks old. Is there any way to find out the names of Samuel and John's fathers?
Thanks,
David

Yes,

Take care David,

It COULD be a wonderful contact for you BUT - as I say, some people are just 'name collectors' so it MAY be complete rubbish!!

Come back to us if you want further advice and let me know how you get on.

Dea x

Thanks, sorry I'd already written my messages before I read that one. It looks like a good website and the dates certainly correlate with what you've found, although certain dates, ie. Mary's sister, Ann was stated to have been born in 1792 and died in 1872 yet he says that she was 73 when she died. I will contact this person to find out more information.

Thanks
David

Try that website I gave you!!

Don't let it confuse you further though - If the person can't give you the right help - put it to one side for now and contact them again later when you have more info.

Dea x

I looked on Hugh Wallis' website but it didn't find any Gooches born in the 1739 to 1835 batch and on the 1813 to 1818 it only found a John Gooch and two Mary Gooches in Lavenham - one married a Thomas Evered and the other married George Farrants - both in 1814 - but no mention of any children? How did you find Samuel Gooch, Gillian?

Thanks again,
David

You mean Samuel Gooch was married before? I also can't help but notice that Samuel was 19 years older than Eliza Chenery - is that normal for people in those days? I can't find Samuel Gooch on 1841 - I looked for one born in 1811 in Suffolk but I couldn't see him. I also tried to find Emma Marshall and I found one that was born in Leeds - which is where the children were born - but on 1901 it said she was born in Suffolk. Also how come they got married in London - I assume that's what it means when it says Pancras. Was Mary still living next to Samuel in 1811? If so you may be able to view the others on the same page?

I'll keep looking but it seems like you'd be more likely to find one than me? Any tips on looking?

Thanks,
David

NOW - Please beware that not all people are serious researchers and SOME people are just 'name collectors !!

BUT - I have found this website with many of your relatives on it.

http://fp.raylong.plus.com/lavenham/b91.html#P17628

It is probably worth contacting them but be warned - the person is either a relative and has information you can share, OR the whole lot will be 'stuck together' and not really connected.

It would be worth a contact though to see which is the case.

Let me know how you get on,

Dea x

I am thinking that a Mary Gooch is Samuel's mother - no father mentioned so she may not have been married !!

There is a Mary Gooch living next door to him on 1851 which MAY have no connection, but just MAY be his mother.

This same Mary on 1841 had another Mary Gooch living with her - 1841 does not state relationships - SO, she could be yet another illigitimate daughter, or a daughter-in-law ?? - 1st wife of Samuel who is absent?

We REALLY need to find Samuel on 1841 !!

Dea x

Dea x

I'm confused :S. But this Mary is a Gooch and so is the younger Mary - so they might still be related. How do you know that she is not just his mother living next door and maybe that was her job? And maybe the younger Mary is Samuel's sister? So do you think that Mary is not his mother?

Cheers,
David

Looking at the 1851 Census - 'mother' Mary may well be the lodger 'next door'?

1851:
Stow - Living at Felgates Cottages

Sub registration district: Walsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 53
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Chenery 22 .......Housekeeper
Samuel Gooch 39 ......Greenwich Pensioner

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1794; Folio: 551; Page: 14; GSU roll: 207443.
.........
NB - Mary Gooch - age 59 - washerwoman - lodging next door !!

In 1841 - the above Mary (aged 50) is living in the same house + another Mary Gooch aged 20

Dea x

Thanks Gillian and Dea - you've been the most helpful people on here. Could you please look at my other topics to help me trace the other side of my family? I have topics for Chapman, Clough and Gray.

Cheers,
David

In reply to your question about Samuelssiblings the only way I know is to try Hugh wallis's site-if you enrer Hugh Wallis into your search engine you'll find the first site listed refers to the IGI -click on that and then on country and county and "L" for Lavenham and click on christenings around 1811 and enter "Gooch" and work through to see if any more born to Mary -of course she may have married after Samuel was born which makes it dificult

Thanks Gillian,
Does that mean it is harder to find out the father's name?
Thanks,
David

OK David -explanations
The IGI is the international genealogical index which is free and can be found at familysearch.org
The Q means the Quarter in which the event -birth marriage or death- is registered
My bit about marriage was because the baptisms on IGI usually show mother and fathers names and if only mother shown the birth is probably illegitimate.
I myself have Suffolk forebears and not a few of them were born out of wedlock!
Samuels mother was Mary and her mother was Elizabeth
A kind son gives me sub to Ancestry so when stalled on my tree I try to help others.

Sorry, Gillian I hadn't seen your message! Thanks so much for that information - how on earth did you find that so quickly?!! What's the IGI? What's the Q stand for?

I'm unsure whether this Elizabeth Gooch is Mary Gooch's mother - Gooch won't have been Mary's maiden name - unless she didn't get married? Did Samuel have any siblings? How did you find information from 1788? What do you mean when you say not strong on marriage at this point?

Thanks,
David

It looks as if Gillian has found some info for you.

I was looking at that marriage as a possible

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Marriages Mar 1883
***GOOCH Harry Pancras 1b 244
HIBBS Ellen Pancras 1b 244
***Marshall Emma Pancras 1b 244
PERRY Walter Pancras 1b 244


I can't see another one which fits better at the present time.

Dea x

P.S.

Apologies - I have been looking after my 3 year old grand-daughter for the day and am absolutely Knack**** !!!!!!!!!

I will check back on this thread tomorrow and if no-one has sorted it for you I will have another look.

Dea x