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all this is so confusing i wasn't cut out for this ;-) thanks for all that you have been great

This could be him then - which would match with the birth I found earlier, a year out - Sandwell registration district covers Rowley Regis.

Name: John Patrick Walsh
Birth Date: 19 Apr 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1986
Age at death (estimated): 68
Registration district: Sandwell
Inferred County: West Midlands
Volume: 33
Page: 1144

The marriage I found is on a free website - www.lancashireBMD.org.uk

The birth I found earlier is also on a free website - www.FreeBMD.org.uk

Neither of them are complete though so just because you can't find somthing it doesn't mean it didn't happen!

The deaths are both from Ancestry, which you have to pay to use. Always worth checking the free websites first and NEVER buy credits from this website, they are a rip off!

Sam x

i didn't know that about the cencus just thought it would be worth a try thanks for helping me.....

well he died before i was born so i would presume somewhere like rowley regis as thats where they lived.

where do you find all this out is that why you have to buy credits to get into all that..

Do you know where John Walsh died?

yes thats my nana ........

Do you know where or when either of them died?

UPDATE: I assume this is Eleanor as the date of birth matches...

Name: Eleanor Walsh
Birth Date: 5 Dec 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: Apr 1996
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Norwich
Inferred County: Norfolk
Register number: D15B
Entry Number: 282

Copy this link into your browser, then if you click on the reference number at the right hand side of the marrige, it will open a form that you can print off and send off to get a copy.

http://www.ukbmdsearch.org.uk/certapp.php?type=marriages&data=SMITH%7cEleanor%7cWALSH%7cJohn%20P%7cEverton%2c%20St%2e%20Benedict%7cLiverpool%7c1942%7c1942%7c%7cLL%3a2060WD%2f5%2f190%7cS%7c74851%7clancashire%7cLL

how do i do that i dont know anything about all that side i think i came into all this thinking it would be real easy but its not ;-)

You would have to order it but you could ask them to check the fathers names, to make sure.

how do i go into checking that it his their marriage cert cos surely with their parents names i should know for definate??

my uncle is possitive her date of birth was 5.12.18 the marriage could be so that could be a starting point..

You don't think that the marriage is them or the birth? Why have you ruled it out?

i dont think that them i dont know wat else to do im at my whits end with my mothers family im just glad i done mine now so my kids dont have to do all this

Your grandad's birth (a year out)? I can't see Eleanor Smith, well i can but there are loads of them so I don't know which one is yours :-)

Births Jun 1918 (94%)
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Walsh John Lowe W.Derby 8b 817

The marriage of John and Eleanor:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1942
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
WALSH John P SMITH Eleanor Everton, St. Benedict Liverpool 2060WD/5/190

I can't find a marriage for Amelia Lowe and John Walsh.

i have no dates for my great grandparents but mynan was born 5.12.1918 apparently in liverpool and my grandad either 17th or 19th april 1917 an he too apparently born in liverpool my uncle thinks they may have married in everton liverpool around 1941/42

And some rough dates...

Sam x

my great nans name is amelia lowe and my great grandad is john walsh my nan is eleanor smith my grandad john patrick walsh but patrick was giving to him by nuns as he was brought up there and my mums name is janet winifred walsh is that enough info. according to this paper tree most are from dudley

You will need to give us some names and dates before we can help...

Sam x