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I have a marriage certificate for my mother-in-laws grandmother, which I sent off for. It is definitly correct as the groom's details are right. Also on their daughter's birth certificate the details are the same as the marriage certificate.

Her name is Lizzie Parker and she married William Lancaster on 4th March 1889 in St Mary's Church Studley Warwickshire. On the marriage certificate it states that she was age 22 and her father was called John Parker a watchmaker.

My mother-in-law has now given me a bith certificate for Lizzie which was sent for to prove her sge so she could claim her pension. On the birth certificate it states that she was born on 10 October 1864. Her name is Betsy Anne, her father was Job Parker and mother Emma Parker formerly Eldridge. She was born in 4 Court Thomas Street Coventry.

Please help as I am confused.

Alison

What are the details of the Lancaster daughter whose birth cert you have?

This is Betsy's birth reg'n..........

Name: Betsy Anne Parker
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 401

And the marriage of her parents

Name: Job Parker
Year of Registration: 1857
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Coventry
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 386
Emma Eldridge

Their daughter was called Ethel Lancaster born 13 November 1902. Father William Lancaster a Needle Stamper, and Lizzie Lancaster formerly Parker. They lived at Littlewood Green, Studley, Warwickshire.

Reggie,

What I cannot understand is that if Lizzie was 22 when she got married, as per the marriage certificate, she must have been born in 1867. So why does the birth certificate she sent off for say that she was born in 1864?

Alison

There is no certainty that that is the right birth cert. It was acquired purely to get a pension.
My grandmother used a christening to get her pension but although we have the church there is no christening.We assume the vicar took pity and gave a false declaration.

1871 census.............

Name: Job Parker
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Civil Parish: St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Coventry
Sub registration district: St John
ED, institution, or vessel: 36
Household schedule number: 118
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Parker 37
Elizabeth Parker 5
Emma Parker 3
Job Parker 38
Maria Parker 12
Walter Parker 3 months

Second marriage..........????????

Job Parker 1870 Oct-Nov-Dec Coventry Warwickshire, West Midlands

Elizabeth Ward 1870 Oct-Nov-Dec Coventry Warwickshire, West Midlands

Jim,

Are you saying that all the work Reggie is kindly doing for me now may be irrelevant. But how would she know whose birth certificate to send off for if it was not her own?

A confused Alison

Not irrelevant.......just perhaps eliminating the wrong person..........

Trying the 'other' angle.............these look like Ethel's parents and siblings in 1901.......William's occupation is Needle Stamper

Name: William Lancaster
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Studley, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Studley
Ecclesiastical parish: Studley St Mary
Town: Studley
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Alcester
Sub registration district: Feckenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 82
Household Members: Name Age
Edwin Lancaster 1
Elizabeth Lancaster 34
Florence Lancaster 9
Thomas Lancaster 36
William Lancaster 41
William Lancaster 6

Address: Littlewood Green

So it does rather look as though the birth cert was for the wrong child............

Reggie,

How do I know which is correct? Should I follow the birth certificate as you have been. Or should I be looking using the marriage certificate?

I have to take my boys to their swimming lesson now but will check back when I get back home.

I am really grateful for all the info you have already found. Can I be really cheeky and ask if you could try following the marriage certificate route and see if you can find anything because I've not had any luck before.

Thanks again

Alison

Reggie,

Yes that is them but althought I can follow William back I cannot follow Lizzie back any further,

Anyway really must go now whill check back when I get back home

Alison

Alison,
does it states on the 1889 marriage cert that Lizzie was a spinster and was there just the one surname for her?

Val

Births Mar 1892
Lancaster Florence Gertrude Alcester 6d 647

This cert would give parents names.

Hi, back from swimming lessons.

Val, Yes it does say that she was a spinster and there are no other names listed for her on the certificate. I do not have Florence's birth certificate but if you look at previous post I do have one for her sister Ethel who was born in 1902.

I have looked for Lizzie parker before and have had no luck finding her. Any help would be gratefully appreciated.

Alison

The marriage in 1889 took place in Studley.........the registration distict for Studley was Alcester.

The birth reg'n for Betsy Jane was in Coventry district............so she was not born in Studley.

This, I think, confirms that the birth cert is not that of the woman who married Wiliam Lancaster..........

Birth registration was not compulsory until 1875................

?

Reggie,

Sorry not been in touch. Thanks for looking at it again so late last night. I had by that time signed off and only just found the time to sign back on.

I agree that the birth cert must be wrong but I cannot find a Lizzie Parker, unless as you say her birth was not registered.

Maybe I should look for her father, John Parker, and back track. As I know he was a watchmaker and presumably lived in the Warwickshire area maybe I can find him and then look for wife and children.

What so you think?

Alison

Alison

Is there an address for Lizzie on the marriage cert? An address search of the 1881 census might bring up something

Potty,

No there is not just that they lived in Studley. I am wondering if Lizzie came from Coventry originally as Watchmaking was big on Coventry and how on earth would she have known about Betsy Ann Parker unless she had known her when she was younger?

Alison