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Yes I looked it up and found the same, but without todays modern aids I wonder how long it would of took to work that one out!

Ann

With reference to an earlier posting on this thread re 'fly proprieter'. I too had one of those and looked it up.. A fly is a two wheeled horse drawn carriage. A fly proprieter was someone who hired out these carriages.

I see Henrietta's family in Cardiff in 1891 but I don't see her. Could be she married in Wales because Vivian was born in Cardiff too.

Rose

Ann

Thank you for looking - I'm off to bed as well. was gonna go an hour ago & then got carried away with this!!

Fresh eyes tomorrow!!

Goodnight, Sue

Sue,

No marriage on Scotlands People for them....but am getting a bit bleary eyed.

Goodnight!
Ann

Thank you so much Rose

1871 Scotland Census
about Willm Stewart Muir
Name: Willm Stewart Muir
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: London England, Middlesex
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 20 Annandale Street
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 64
Page: 23 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 140
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1871_160
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Duncanson 15
Agnes Muir 51
Alice Stewart Muir 10
Arthur S Muir 12
Margaret E Muir 11
Willm Stewart Muir 7
Margaret Robertson 19


Rose

This looks to be Henrietta.

Births Jun 1865
Cornish Henrietta Dale Falmouth 5c 215

Don't see her in 1881 or 1891.

Rose

Rose - do you have William in 1871 census? As I don't, was he in Scotland?

Sue

Thank you for looking.

Maybe they did marry in Scotland - thats a long way from where she was born in Falmouth, isn't it?

I'm guessing these are William's parents going by the names of the cousins listed with him in 1871 and 1881:

1861 Scotland Census
about James Muir
Name: James Muir
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Anna
Gender: Male
Where born: Edinburgh
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil Parish: Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County: Midlothian
Address: 6 Middleby St
Occupation: Accountant
ED: 69
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1861_129
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Bain 64
Catherine Clark 23
Jessie Legg 29
Alice S Muir 2 Mo
Anna Muir 35
Arthur S Muir 2
James Muir 31
Margaret E Muir 1


Rose

I don't see the marriage in England or Wales.

Perhaps they married in Scotland?

Rose

Rose

Thank you soooooooo much, I can't find him in 1891 either - thats what I've been doing, looking at 1891 census.

A seed merchant, so Ann was correct when she said something to do with market gardening.

Also the birth you have found is correct as I was wondering if his second name was Stewart/Stenart as that was his son Vivian's second name and Vivian gave it to his daughter

You wouldn't be able to find out without too much trouble when William married Henrietta would you? Don't worry if I'm asking too much!! I think her maiden name was Cornish

Thank you

Looks like he was born in Greenwich, not Margate.

Births Sep 1863
MUIR William Stewart Greenwich 1d 577

Rose

Don't see him in 1891 but he was a seed merchant in 1881:

1881 Scotland Census
about William S Muir
Name: William S Muir
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relationship: Cousin
Gender: Male
Where born: England
Registration Number: 685/1
Registration district: St George
Civil Parish: St George
County: Midlothian
Address: 8 Saxe Coburg Place
Occupation: Seed Merchant'S Apprentice
ED: 110
Page: 5 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 23
Roll: cssct1881_283
Household Members: Name Age
Eliza Fairbairn 19
Elizth Fairbairn 60
Ann Kedzlie 18
Jane McLeod 18
Agnes Muir 62
Alice S Muir 20
Andrew W Muir 13
Arthur S Muir 22
Margaret E Muir 21
William S Muir 17


Rose

let me know what you come up with
Ann

Thanks Rose, that confirms it then - thats great

Sue

Sue,

The transcription on the official 1901 census is also Nurseryman's Clerk

http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Rose

A Fly Proprietor!!?? Dare not even think about that one!!

Thanks for your help Ann, I'm going to try to find him in 1891 to see what his occupation was then, it might give us some clues

Sue

Well I would think it is some kind of book keeper, perhaps in market gardening/farming/flower growers a bit like todays farm shops! You get some really strange ones.....I saw one the other day A Fly Proprietor!