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Thanks Marcelle, didn't even know this site existed.

Regards

Mary

For anyone searching Winterbourne area, especially the Maggs family, google frenchay museum. There is tons of info incl baptisms, marriages, deaths, school records.
It is a fantastic website

Marcelle

Hi Peter,
Many thanks for all the info.Peter I hope you don't mind but, I have sent you a personal message.

Regards

Mary

Hopeful..By March 1819 Obadiah aged 16 had worked for 2 years without sick-leave in the Stockport cotton mill of T. Garside; he later worked in Winterbourne but was in the workhouse in Bristol by 1851 where he died 1869 and was jailed for a month in 1862 for begging in Bristol. Relatives of the same name died before him. Obadiah married Martha Woods and was one of at 3 children of Israel Maggs born while married before the death of his first wife.

Israel was born at Downing, which name was used both for the Downend in Mangotsfield and Downend in Horfield (several Maggs lived in Horfield but his mother was found recorded at Mangotsfield by someone working on the family tree). He was baptised and first married on the same day, and was from a family from Winterbourne, Gloucestershire which is close to both places. This family had included felt hat makers and publicans. When his wife died Israel went to the hatting town of Stockport, remarried and had 12 more children.

William born c1829 in Winterborune according to the census, was one of Obadiah & Martha's 9 children (one of 6 baptised together). He married Mary Ann Nelmes, settled in Clifton, Bristol and died aged 59. He had a daughter Alice (who married and had at least 7 children) and a son, William George; I have copies of the probable 1898 death cert. & HMS Temeraire (launched 1876) service record of the latter.

In records Winterbourne has been nis-transcribed as Waterhouse, Downing as drowning, Obadiah''s name is also spelled Obediah & Obidiah and Woods as Wood.

Peter Maggs

Margaret, that is fascinating, thank you soooo much. Maybe that's why I can't trace my father, maybe his mother wasn't married and gave birth elsewhere. Worth looking into as I have been trying for 5 years to find his birth cert. I have his brothers and his sisters but, not him, Curious isn't it.

Many, many thanks

Mary

Hopeful. Did you click onto "pedigree". Its just the order of descent.You have the parents ,then the children.

These submitted entries are those put there by Morman members. Mormans believe you have to baptise your dead non Morman relatives into the Morman religion . I think they all are expected to do this. Unfortunately as has been said sometimes, but not always the information has been taken directly from census records.

I have a family member submitted as Elizabeth Do. The Do on the census stood for "ditto"so you can see how inaccurate they can be. However if the info is"extracted" from the parish records then that is okay.
Another thing to remember is sometimes on the census things dont add up. Names change,places of birth change.
I recently helped to sort out a persons relative who gave her place of birth as Durham on 2 census but the earliest when she was home with parents as a baby she was born in Derby.
It seems the baby was born before her mother married so registered in mothers name in Derby. Mother then married shortly after and they moved to Durham.

The girl then used her new fathers name from then on . However she married under her real name.

I explained to the person I was helping the girl had lived in Durham from a few months old so felt or maybe assumed she was born there so put Durham on later census.
Each parish were responsible for their own poor.
So if you needed parish relief you were sent to the parish where you were born.

If someone had moved parishes they would sometimes lie on the census as to where they were born because they feared being sent back.

OK Jim, Thanks

Mary

would the christenings give me their date of birth?
Maybe but not usually.

Hi Margaret, now I'm totallt confused,(doesn't take much). Still trying to work out what the "Pedigree" meant after their names, any idea?

Thanks

Mary

Just to confuse the issue, there seems to be a previous Obadiah also married to a Martha, same place:

MAGGS, Lucy Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 8 Mar 1812 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, George Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Oct 1814 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

HI Jim, would the christenings give me their date of birth?

Thanks


Mary

Family search have stuff which is not online but you can view it from a centre near you.

England, Gloucester, Winterbourne - Church records

Titles Births and baptisms, 1824-1834 Independent Church (Winterbourne, Gloucestershire)
Births, baptisms and burials, 1806-1837 Frenchay Chapel (Winterbourne, Gloucestershire : Presbyterian)

Bishop's transcripts for Frenchay, 1834-1863 Church of England. Chapelry of Frenchay (Gloucestershire)

Bishop's transcripts for Winterbourne Down, 1861-1868 Church of England. Chapelry of Winterbourne Down (Gloucestershire)

Bishop's transcripts for Winterbourne, 1673-1860 Church of England. Parish Church of Winterbourne (Gloucestershire)

Church records, 1777-1982 Church of England. St. Michael's Church (Winterbourne, Gloucestershire)

Church records, 1853-1952 United Methodist Free Church (Winterbourne Down, Gloucestershire)

Church records, 1858-1989 Church of England. All Saints Church (Winterbourne Down)

Parish registers of St. Michael's Church, Winterbourne, 1600-1986 Church of England. St. Michael's Church (Winterbourne, Gloucestershire)

Thank you Margaret, at least I have some christening dates to go on, as you say they seem to be a job lot.

Thank you for your time.

Mary

Children of Obadiah & Martha from BVRI:

MAGGS, Elizabeth Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 17 May 1835 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, Emmanuel Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1835 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, John Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1835 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, John Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1835 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, Samuel Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1835 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obediah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, William Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 May 1835 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obediah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, Hannah Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 22 Apr 1838 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, John Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 11 Oct 1840 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, Henry Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 9 Apr 1843 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Obadiah MAGGS
Mother: Martha
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

Doesn't help much because they're just christening dates and it looks as if they had a bunch of them done as a job lot in 1835.

Thanks to everyone!! I have Obadiah as the father on Williams marriage cert. so Jim the information for the 1851 census is correct, thank you and Margaret would they have lost 5 years on his birth, is that common?

Thanks

Mary

OK Reg, many thanks for that and Soph thank you as well, Williams father was Obadiah so unfortunately the William's birth year is correct but not his fathers name. Also may I just ask, what is the "Pedigree" after their names ?

Thank you both

Mary

1851 England Census
about William Maggs
Name: William Maggs
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Martha
Gender: Male
Where born: Winterbourn, Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish: Clifton
Town: Clifton
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: Clifton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Maggs 13
Henry Maggs 8
John Maggs 10
Martha Maggs 44
Mary A Maggs 16
William Maggs 22
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1952; Folio: 189; Page: 11;

There are 2 Obadiah Maggs on BVRI that are close:

MAGGS, Obadiah Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 23 Aug 1801 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Israel MAGGS
Mother: Elisabeth
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

MAGGS, Obadiah Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 3 Apr 1803 Recorded in: Winterbourne, Gloucestershire, England
Father: Emanuel MAGGS
Mother: Sarah
Source: FHL Film 1596177 Dates: 1800 - 1860

The ages in 1841 are rounded down
1851
Obadiah Maggs abt 1801 Warterhouse, Gloucestershire, England Pauper Stapleton, Gloucestershire

Hi Reg, Yes that's his family,
Soph Yes that's him again but, what does a "submitted entry" mean?

Thanks


Mary