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Hi all,

Trying desperately to find when my great grandmother and her sister were born and getting nowhere! They were twins, which I thought would make it easier, but I just can't find them at all! Keep thinking I've found one and then the other twin isn't registered! Can anyone help please?

Names: Doris E Kirby and Joyce Kirby
Born Between: 1905 and 1910 (probably)
Born: Around the Lambeth area in London (probably)
Born to: Samuel Kirby and Thirza Johnson

Thanks,
Claire

Claire

I have found the same as Jacqueline. Do you have any info on their deaths and work backwards? We will need to know their married names for that.

Lin

Hi Jackie,

Thanks for the reply. Yes, the marriage I could find and I found a couple of Doris Emily's born around the time I thought it would be, but, like you, no Joyce.

Joyce was always known as either Joyce or Aunt Jo, I do not know a middle name or even initial to try and link to a birth and I have no one left to ask in the family who knows. It's so very confusing!

Is there any other way to find out when they were born?

Claire

Hi Linda,

I do not know death dates for them yet - hadn't thought of looking for those, how silly of me! Joyce's married name I believe was Dalton. Doris's married name was definitely Wood.

Claire

Claire

Sorry I can't help any further at the mo as I am at work and not able to get into ancestry but I'm sure someone else woi

Linl help you or if not I will look tonight.

Thanks so much Lin, I really appreciate it!

Claire

Have found Doris Emily Kirby born 1908 Lambeth (Vol 1d Page 420) and for the same volume, page no, and date is a Charles William Kirby (also Lambeth). Could this be her twin??

Also found the following for Lambeth:

Edward Charles Kirby 1902
Walter Charles Kirby 1909
Charles Sydney Kirby 1902
Charles William Kirby 1903
Charles William Kirby 1908
Charles Henry Kirby 1895

could this be one?
Name: Doris Emily Wood
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1994
Age at death (estimated): 88
Registration district: Surrey Mid-Eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Register number: 3B
Entry Number: 70

Hi Susan,

I do not think this is her twin, it was definitely another female. Doris had other siblings: Joyce, Gertrude, Alec, Ernest, George (twin of Ernie), Vera and Victor.

I will look into this one Janice, thank you,

Claire

Thanks!

Claire

Long shot! if that is the death entry wonder if this might be the Charles if he stayed in London
Two children same surname born the same monthName: Charles William Kirby
Birth Date: 3 Apr 1906
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1984
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Tower Hamlets
Inferred County: London
Volume: 14
Page: 1007

Thanks everyone, think I'll have to look into these a little more, perhaps the family, for some reason, gave the rest of the family some wrong information about these twins and it was in fact Doris and Charles (who no one has ever heard of or mentioned - perhaps died young?) and Joyce came later.

Claire

On the previous page to the two above - triplets possibly?
Kirby Florence Lilian Lambeth 1d 419

Thanks Potty,

I'm just so confused now, will order these certificates and try and find out what's going on!

Claire

If the cert for Doris is the correct one, if it has a time of birth on it that would indicate that she was a twin.

In that case, it might be worth phoning the office where the birth was registered and asking them if they can find another twin. Somebody on here a while ago had a similar problem - two sisters of the same age on the census but only one birth found. She contacted the local office and they confirmed that they were twins. For some reason the second one had been omitted from the GRO index - it does happen.

Thanks Potty, that's a great help, I really hope that this is her, she's been confusing me from the very beginning, haha!

Claire

Thirza is a rather unusual name
Does anyone have info on her ?

Reason I ask is I have a Thirza Barstow 1811-1899 in my tree . Could this be Thirzas mother/gran ?

Hi Christopher,

The only information I have on Thirza is her maiden name (Johnson) and a marriage to Samuel Francis Kirby. None on her parents/grandparents.

I happen to have a few Thirza/Thursa/Thirsas in my tree, and my grandmother had this as a middle name. It is a form of Theresa I believe.

Claire

Claire have you got the certificate and sorted out the twins now?