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I could do with some help please for 2 dead ends in my tree.

William Stephens c 1875 was a merchant seaman. He had a child, Robert Consort Stephens, with Victoria Mary Wilkinson in 1903. She took the name Stephens but never married William. She later married in 1905 but I don't know who. William disappeared and I cannot find any trace of him any where. It is my understanding that without the name of ships he may have been on, I wouldn't be able to get any joy from the merchant navy records. Can anyone help me?

2nd dead end.......

John Sherwin Hartley was born in Sellafield in 1871. His father was John Hartley b1835 also in Sellafield. His parents were Joseph Hartley b 1805, St Bridget's Cumbria and Ann Braithwaite born 1803 in Blackbeck.
I had his mother as Dorothy Jackson born in 1836 and she undoubtedly married a John Hartley in Sep 1865 but I now suspect that she is not the wife or mother I am looking for. She has no Sherwins in her line at all and as it is a fairly common Cumbrian name, I feel sure that there would have been a Sherwin to give John Jr his middle name.

I am fairly new to this and could do with some of your help for which I will be most grateful. Here's hoping........

1881 census

here's a Dorothy Hartley from Sellafield

Isabella KITCHIN Head U Female 42 W Haven, Cumberland, England School Teacher
Eliza B. HENDERSON Governess U Female 22 Scotland Governess
Mary Hannah BIBBY Scholar U Female 15 Muncaster, Cumberland, England Scholar
Dorothy Ann HARTLEY Scholar U Female 11 Sellafield, Cumberland, England Scholar
Sarah NULTY Dom Serv U Female 20 W Haven, Cumberland, England Genl Servt Dom


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Source Information:
Dwelling 9 Irish St
Census Place Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342251
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5185 / 85
Page Number 2

Victoria Mary Wilkinson married James H Hetherington in 1905 in Sunderland, Co Durham

The only way to find John S Hartley parents is to obtain a copy of birth cert

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
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Hartley John Sherwen Whitehaven 10b 568


Andy

1881 again

Joseph HARTLEY Head M Male 43 Sellafield, Cumberland, England Merchant (Grocer & Spirit) ((Gen))
Isabella HARTLEY Wife M Female 52 Beckermet, Cumberland, England
Annie M. HARTLEY Daur U Female 23 Beckermet, Cumberland, England At Home
Joseph W. HARTLEY Son U Male 16 Beckermet, Cumberland, England At Home
Ada I. HARTLEY Daur Female 13 Beckermet, Cumberland, England Scholar
Thomas HARTLEY Son Male 12 Beckermet, Cumberland, England Scholar
Richard HARTLEY Son Male 11 Beckermet, Cumberland, England Scholar
Eliza M. WOOD Serv U Female 18 Moor Row, Cumberland, England Dom Serv


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Source Information:
Dwelling Tail End
Census Place Haile, Cumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342252
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5193 / 105
Page Number 1

1871 census. Parents John and Dorothy.

1871 England Census
about John Sherwer Hartley
Name: John Sherwer Hartley
Age: 5 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Dorothy
Gender: Male
Where born: Saint Bridget, Cumberland, England
Civil Parish: St Bridget
County/Island: Cumberland
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Whitehaven
Sub registration district: Egremont
ED, institution, or vessel: 9d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 6
Household Members: Name Age
William John Drake 18
Dorothy Hartley 35
Dorothy Ann Hartley 1
John Hartley 36 Farmer of 44 acres
>>>>John Sherwer Hartley 5 months
Joseph Hartley 66 Father of John Snr
Jane Robinson 20

Non family are servants.


Andy

1881
Isaac HARTLEY Head M Male 47 Haile, Cumberland, England Farmer Of 42 Acres
Anne HARTLEY Wife M Female 47 St Bridgets, Cumberland, England
Daniel P. HARTLEY Son U Male 22 St Bridgets, Cumberland, England Farmers Son
Hannah HARTLEY Daur U Female 20 Haile, Cumberland, England Farmers Daur
Isaac HARTLEY Son Male 12 Irton, Cumberland, England Scholar
Henry T. HARTLEY Son Male 9 Irton, Cumberland, England Scholar
William HARTLEY Son Male 6 Irton, Cumberland, England Scholar


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Source Information:
Dwelling High House
Census Place Gosforth, Cumberland, England
Family History Library Film 1342253
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 5194 / 68
Page Number 8

Thank you all for your help. Lucy, that looks like a very promising link to William Stephens and I will pursue that further.
Mel, your christening record looks as if I was right in my original assumption that Dorothy was his mother but I still would love to know where the Sherwin/Sherwer comes form!
May I ask how you found the christening record? Perhaps the next time I can do it myself without needing help.

Andrew, I have now sent for the birth certificate as you are so right that it is the only way to be certain.

Seaham Lass, can you tell me how you narrowed down Victoria's marriage as there were 2 possible men on the page of entry in the record.

Thank you all again and I look forward to some more snippets so that I can do this for myself. You have all been so helpful.

I had to go to church or would have replied straightaway.

Sorry deleted by mistake!!!!!!!

Here it is again.

JOHN SHERWIN HARTLEY Pedigree
Male
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Christening: 06 DEC 1870 Saint Bridget Beckermet, Cumberland, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN HARTLEY Family
Mother: DOROTHY

Found on IGI familysearch.org it is a free site but some records are submitted and some extracted. This is an extracted record so should be right.

Dorothy Ann Hartley Christening sister to John Sherwin Hartley.

DOROTHY ANN HARTLY Pedigree
Female
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Christening: 02 JUN 1869 Saint Bridget Beckermet, Cumberland, England
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Parents:
Father: JOHN HARTLY Family
Mother: DOROTHY
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Joseph Hartley 1838 Cumberland father of John Hartley 1870 christening and parents

JOSEPH HARTLEY Pedigree
Male
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Christening: 19 AUG 1837 Saint Bridget Beckermet, Cumberland, England
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Parents:
Father: JOSEPH HARTLEY Family
Mother: ANN
Extracted record.

Marriage of Joseph and Ann

JOSEPH HARTLEY Pedigree
Male Family

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Marriages:
Spouse: ANN BRAITHWAITE Family
Marriage: 29 OCT 1829 Haile, Cumberland, England

DOROTHY JACKSON Pedigree
Female
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Christening: 19 MAR 1836 Arlecdon, Cumberland, England
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Parents:
Father: DAVID JACKSON Family
Mother: DOROTHY

DAVID JACKSON Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: DOROTHY GUNSON Family
Marriage: 26 DEC 1829 Saint Bees, Cumberland, England

Children of David and Dorothy

DAVID JACKSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 APR 1838 Arlecdon, Cumberland, England

2. HENRY JACKSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 05 DEC 1830 Arlecdon, Cumberland, England

3. WILLIAM JACKSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 NOV 1832 Arlecdon, Cumberland, England

4. DOROTHY JACKSON - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 19 MAR 1836 Arlecdon, Cumberland, England

Mel, Thank you so much for this information. It is invaluable to me. I feel a bit stupid as I had entered Dorothy's details into IGI but was told no matches. I have obviously done something wrong! Would it be too much trouvle to ask you to email me and explain the process by which you arrived at these results? That way I wouldn't need to bother people on this site again - or at least not on this topic!

Have emailed you Mac.

How did you get on with IGI??