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Hi. I know it's a long shot but looking for help with James Henry Smith from Islington/Edmonton etc area. He has definitely one son (called Edward) who married Gladys Dreanis (o/w Drenes) Green on 19th December 1909 in Islington as his name is on the wedding certificate I located online. I cannot find a birth for Edward but I assume him to be born circa 1890 due to the age noted on the wedding cert. Another person detailed in the wedding cert is a Catherine Smith and I assume this is either the wife of James Henry Smith or his daughter (and therefore Edward sister) but I am just guessing and have had no luck tracing her in this area. I have Edward & Gladys living at Campbell Rd, Islington (Finsbury Park) in the 1911 census and from what I can see most of the Green side of the family occupied alot of this same road for many years (Edward address at time of marriage was also in that road). I have tried to search the 1911 census a few pages forwards and back from Edward & Gladys address but they don't necessarily seem to run in order and so no luck yet.

I am really looking for siblings of Edward Smith plus father d.o.b and mother name/d.o.b so I can track back through the censuses to get address and occupation details and also maybe get back one more generation.

Thanks so much for any assistance
Keeley

Edward 1890 father is called James Henry Smith not Edward?



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Edward Smith Name: Edward Smith
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Spouse Name: Gladys Drenes Green
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1909
Parish: St Anne, Poole's Park
COUNTY: London
Borough: Islington
Father Name: James Henry Smith
Spouse Father Name: Harry Green

1901
SMITH, James H Head Married M 41 1860 Labourer At Gas Works
E Finchley
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Sarah C Wife Married F 42 1859
E Indies VIEW
SMITH, Edward Son M 11 1890
Hornsey
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son M 9 1892
E Finchley
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Frederick Son M 7 1894
E Finchley
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Robert Son M 4 1897
E Finchley
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Albert Son M 2 1899
Edmonton
Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
RG13 Piece:
201 Folio:
64 Page:
22

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Highbury Enumeration District:
32 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Barnabas

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
43, Hornsey Road, Islington County:
London

Really sorry, getting my 'Edwards' mixed up - too many across the generations downwards! It is actually James Henry Smith (all other details the same). Have amended the post to reflect (you can tell I am new at this!!)

Interestingly this is all I have been able to come up with before but in the previous census (1891) is shows the mother Sarah C. coming from Madras (and in 1901) shows as "E Indies" so assume same place. I am not sure whether that seems correct family - will look into more.

although it says james i he was a gas fiiter
1881
SMITH, James I Head Married M 64 1817 Living On Income
London
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Susan Wife Married F 48 1833
Jersey
Channel Islands VIEW
SMITH, Alfred Son Single M 24 1857 Choker G.E.Railway
Jersey
Channel Islands VIEW
SMITH, James I Son Single M 21 1860 Gas Fitter & Decorator
London
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Frederick Son Single M 20 1861 None
London
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, John Son Single M 18 1863 Shopman (Gen?)
London
Middlesex VIEW
SMITH, Lizzy Mar Married F 23 1858 None
London
Middlesex VIEW
WALLACE, Thomas Mar Married M 26 1855 Engineers Clerk
Scotland VIEW
CARLES, Emma Single F 16 1865 Servant Of All Work
Poplar
Middlesex VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
261 Folio:
52 Page:
4

Registration District:
Islington Sub District:
Islington East Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:

Civil Parish:
Islington Municipal Borough:
Address:
8, Newington Green, Islington County:
Middlesex

From freeBMD's
James Henry Smith married Sarah Catherine Bayfield Q3 1883 Edmonton ref 3a 351

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about James Henry Smith Seaman Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Sarah Catherine Bayfield Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 22 Jul 1883
Parish: St James, Muswell Hill
COUNTY: Middlesex
Borough: Haringey
Father Name: James Smith Gardener
Spouse Father Name: Robert Bayfield Volunteer Drill Instructor


James address is given as HMS Asia Portsmouth, this is where his first children were born...Portsmouth not HMS Asia!

Sarah' address Forths Green



And this looks to be Sarah C before her marriage


1881 England Census
about Name: Catherine Bayfield Unmarried

Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: India

Civil parish: Chatham
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street Address: House of Refuge Rainham Road

Registration district: Medway
Sub-registration district: Gillingham
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 895
Folio: 83
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Bayfield 21

Thanks for all the help. It gives me alot more to go on now :-)

Im just trying to get a bit of background on the family, I understand you want to find the birth of Edward but we might have to go around the houses...so to speak!

x

Ive just been looking at the Parishes as they seem to have changed about for the Middlesex region!

I found that Hornsey at one time came under Edmonton so maybe this might be worth looking at?



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Edward Smith
Name: Edward Smith
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
DISTRICT: Edmonton
COUNTY: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 420 (click to see others on page)