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I'm looking for any leads that will get me past the "brick wall" I've run into. I am looking for information on a Thomas Smith who had (3) sons: William Gaythonre Smith (1874), George Frederick Smith (1876) and Walter William Smith (1879). Walter William married Elizabeth Jane Ellard June 3, 1900. William Gaythorne married Caroline Louisa Davis December 25, 1901, and George Frederick married Elizabeth Ann Kelly on the very same day. On the marriage certificates their father Thomas Smith is listed as a horsekeeper/stableman. I will be grateful of any help getting over the hurdle I'm confronted with. I have acquired lots of information that has led me nowhere.

Where ?

Catherine

Have you got any of the birth certs as this will give mums name so you can then look for their marriage

William was born 1875 not 1874 -

Births Dec 1875
Smith William Gathorne Alton 2c 146

1881 census
Name: Thomas Smith
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Frances Smith
Gender: Male
Where born: Worldham, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Alton
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address: Anstey Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carter

Registration district: Alton
Sub-registration district: Alton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Smith 28
Frances Smith 26
Gathorne Smith 5
George Smith 3
Walter C. Smith 1


Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1246; Folio: 15; Page: 25; GSU roll: 1341305.

Name: William Gaythorne Smith
Year of Registration: 1901
[1901]
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Pancras (1837-1901)
County: London, Middlesex
Volume: 1b
Page: 55
spouse Caroline Louisa Davis

poss marriage but you need to check names agiants the birth cert of William g
Marriages Dec 1874

Holland Frances Matilda Alton 2c 337
Smith Thomas Alton 2c 337

Thanks for the input! The only question I have is: Are you folks using some other site to get your information? Because no matter how I fed the names in I could never get all four names (Thomas, Gaythorne, George and Walter) to show up at the same time. I've been at it for three years now and have yet to get any further than Thomas Smith! On my wife's side of the family, and on my mother's side I've got back into the early 1700's. Of course it could be the "Smith" syndrome causing the problem?

Hi Brian
I mostly use Free BMD in conjunction with Ancestry. Apart from 1911 of course, when I use the free search facility on the 1911 site.

If the marriage that Shirley posted above is the right one I think these may be the birth references. Though both a couple of years out -

Births Jun 1851
Smith Thomas Alton 7 15

Births Mar 1853
Holland Frances Matilda Alton 2c 136

First of all though you need to send for one of the sons births certificates, to check that you have the right parents.

Brian
I found the info on Ancestry. The 1881 census is also avialable free on Family search site.

the actual parish record of the marriages didnt post before as you have the marriage info already !

Name: William Gaythorne Smith
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Spouse Name: Caroline Lousia Davis
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1901
Parish: St Jude, Grays Inn Road
County: London
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Thomas Smith
Spouse Father Name: William Henry Davis


Name: George Frederick Smith
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Ann Kelly
Spouse Age: 28
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1901
Parish: St Jude, Grays Inn Road
County: London
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Thomas Smith
Spouse Father Name: Edward Parrott

Both George and Elizabeth were widowed.

you may also like these baptisms
Name: Beatrice Louisa Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1902
Baptism Date: 23 Nov 1902
Father's name: William Gaythorne Smith
Mother's name: Caroline Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Pentonville St Silas
Borough: Islington


Name: William Charles Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1904
Baptism Date: 20 Mar 1904
Father's name: William Gaythorne Smith
Mother's name: Caroline Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton Holy Trinity
Borough: Hackney

Name: Francis Lilian Smith
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1905
Baptism Date: 13 Sep 1905
Father's name: William Gaythorne Smith
Mother's name: Caroline Louisa Smith
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hoxton St Mary
Borough: Hackney

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are you sure of that marriage fro Walter as the record doesnt show him with a second christian name .On the 1881 ceneus he is Walter C and this is his birth record

Name: Walter Charles Smith
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Alton (1837 Onw)
County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 158

I got the name Walter William because in the 1901 Census, Walter William is shown living in Willesden, with his wife Elizabeth and son Walter J. The dates seem to match the marriage certificate issued in 1900.
Name: Walter Smith
Estimated Birth year: Abt. 1879
Spouse name: Elizabeth Ellard
Spouse age: 19
Event date: 3 Jun 1900
Parish: St. Philip, Clerkenwell
County: Middlesex
Father Name: Thomas Smith
Occupation: Horsekeeper
Spouse Father Name: Henry Ellard