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Maureen

Hi Maureen

Thankyou, I shall do the tree search, my mother-in-law thanks you very much for you time spent on her family history.

I only have 6days to go now before I hopefully give birth, fun and games hahaha.

Regards
Samantha
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Hi Samantha,
OK-James CHURCH. When you get his marriage certificate it may or may not bear out the theory that he's the son of Beaumont and Sarah CHURCH-born circa 1834 in Offton,Suffolk.
In 1841 he and a younger brother,William are enumerated all by themselves:
Name: James Church
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Offton With Little Bricett
Hundred: Bosmere and Claydon
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:Potash Farm

Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Bramford
Household Members:
Name Age
James Church 7
William Church 3

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1019; Book: 6; Civil Parish: Offton With Little Bricett; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 11; Page: 16; Line: 15; GSU roll: 474636.

However,the address for this one is also Potash.
Name: Beaumont Charch (sic)
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Great Bricett
Hundred: Bosmere and Claydon
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Bramford

Household Members:
Name Age
Beaumont Charch 35
Sarah Charch 30
Matilda Charch 10
Anne Charch 5
Thomas Charch 1

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1018; Book: 13; Civil Parish: Great Bricett; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 7; Page: 18; Line: 10; GSU roll: 474636.

Then in 1851:
Name: Beaumont Church
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Somersham, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Offton
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Occupation:Ag Lab
Registration district: Bosmere
Sub-registration district: Coddenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 62
Household Members:
Name Age
Beaumont Church 45
Sarah Church 41
William Church 12
Daniel Church 9

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1797; Folio: 532; Page: 16; GSU roll: 207446.

1851 James and an Anne M CHURCH are working as farm servants:
Name: James Church
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Offton, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Burstall
Ecclesiastical parish: Sampford
County/Island: Suffolk
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Registration district: Samford
Sub-registration district: Capel St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
James Lambert 45
Mary Anne Lambert 41
Mary Anne Lambert 20
James Lambert 18
James Church 17
Anne M Church 14

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1798; Folio: 25; Page: 43;

If you check out the Search Trees at the top of the page,it looks like some people are searching the same CHURCH family as well as the SPALLs. Might be a good idea to get in contact!!

Good luck!
Maureen

Hi Maureen

You are really good at doing this, going back further. Because of my lack of understanding about going further I gave up at this point on my MN.

You have been a star with all the help you are giving me, I really do appricate it, I wish I was able to understand going back to this point.

Regards
Samantha
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Hi Samantha,
I'm sorry. That was just my pathetic attempt at making a "pregnant joke"-i.e.you're good at getting this far but going back further .........Never mind (ROFL is rolling on the floor laughing).

It IS difficult going back pre-census and registration. After you get Elizabeth's birth cert and determine that Susan and James are indeed her parents,this may help:
1851 Ancestry
Name: Susan Spawl
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Letticia
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Carlford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6c
Household schedule number: 117
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Spawl 56 Ag Lab born Sutton
Letticia Spawl 52 born Wantisden
Philip Spawl 23
John Spawl 14
Susan Spawl 11
William Spawl 9
Sarah Tricker 85 mother-in-law born Iken
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1801; Folio: 528; Page: 26

1841 Ancestry
Name: Susan Spall
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
Hundred: Wilford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address:Darn! The first part of the word is cut off-the last part seems to be *okeley farm.

Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Spall 45
Letitia Spall 40
Phillip Spall 13
Mary Spall 11
Emily Spall 8
John Spall 4
Susan Spall 2
Nk Spall 2 weeks

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1041; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Hollesley; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 13; Folio: 6; Page: 5; Line: 1
.................................
IGI has:

LETITIA TRICKER

Marriages:
Spouse: RICHARD SPORLE
Marriage:
01 AUG 1819 Hollesley, Suffolk, England

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M131641 1819 0918502 Film NONE


1841 Ancestry (this one looks likely given the name Phillip)
Name: Sarah Tricker
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Female
Where born: Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
Hundred: Wilford
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford

Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Tricker 60 Ag Lab (both born in county)
Sarah Tricker 70
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1041; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Hollesley; County: Suffolk; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 21; Page: 12; Line: 15

I think we're going to have a little trouble with James CHURCH,though.
I'll post suspects in my next message.


Best,
Maureen

Hi Maureen

Yeah I think that I will stop at 3 children, Im quite happy with that number.

I know I have been doing this on and off for a yr of 2 but i really dont understand everything still, and going back further then the 18 centries is not my strong area, the same for the death record, i know that sounds silly.

may i ask what does ROFL stand for?

If SPALL seems right then that the next certificate I shall order.

Thankyou for you time it does mean alot

Regards
Samantha
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"I am good at getting to this stage but going back even further, I am just useless.
" quote
ROFL
You'd think that the third one would give you a clue !
Back to gene:
SPALL does seem to be the maiden name.

Best
Maureen

Hi

Yeah, the 3rd child for me, I must be made hahaha.

she's due 22 sep, so its a waiting game.

Thankyou potty & chris, I am good at getting to this stage but going back even further, I am just useless.

Samantha

Daughter-in-law on a census often meant Step-daughter, so Elizabeth could be the daughter of Susan's first marriage to a Mr Church. There is quite a gap between her and the next child.

OOOHHHH!!! Congrats,Samantha! How nice!
I'm sure your research will be on hold for a while now....
Maureen

Hi Everyone

thankyou, sorry about last night I really needed to go to bed as I am due to give birth in a few days and i feel really tired.

thankyou so much to maureen for all of her help.

samantha
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FreeBMD
Marriages Mar 1873
CHURCH Susan Woodbridge 4a 860

May Philip Woodbridge 4a 860

1861 Ancestry
Name: Susan Church
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 44
Household Members:
Name Age
James Church 27
Susan Church 23
Matilda Church 2

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1169; Folio: 61; Page: 8;

1871 Ancestry
Name: Susan Church widow
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Church 39
Emma Church 8
Elizabeth age 5
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1759; Folio: 52; Page: 15

Maureen

Hi

I am gonna have to go so thankyou again all for you kind help.

Samantha
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hi maureen and everyone else

thankyou for all your kind help

samantha

The 1901 says Daisy was born in Hither Green, so I'd guess she's this one:
Births Dec 1893
Smith Daisy Elizabeth Lewisham 1d 1131

Maureen

so the info that Maureen found for me, saying she is a daughter-in-law, mean that her mum was a may?

im confused over that

how could elizabeth church age 13 be a daughter in law?

sam

Hi

thankyou

I have been trying to find fredrick as a smith not a church thats where i could of been going wrong.

so that could also be the same to elizabeth church 2nd child Daisy E DOB 1894 Guess as of 1901 census, kent, foots cray.

You have been a great help.

samantha

1891 Ancestry
Name: Frederic R Church
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
Ecclesiastical parish: Hollesley
Town: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge and Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip May 53
Susan May 52
George B May 15
Charles E May 12
Loda May 9
Emma May 28
Frederic R Church 2

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1477; Folio 55; Page 4

FreeBMD
Births Jun 1889
Church Frederick Reginald Woodbridge 4a 884

1881
Name: Elizabeth Church
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter in Law
Gender: Female
Where born: Hollesley, Suffolk, England
Civil parish: Hollesley
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Street Address: Main Road

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Woodbridge
Sub-registration district: Woodbridge And Wilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Philip Mays 43
Susan Mays 42
Emma Church 18
Elizabeth Church 13
Annie May Mays 8
Ellen Mays 6
George B. Mays 5
Charles E. Mays 2

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1882; Folio: 61; Page: 11

When I looked (quickly) at the 1911,it seemed as though Elizabeth Smith in Lewisham was born in Hollesley,so I think this must be the same Elizabeth Church.

She's a single servant in Lewisham in 1891.

Maureen

Hi

I still can not find fredrick r smith

sam