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Born 27 Oct 1901 in the Parish of Salford in the county of Lancashire,joined the 3rd Bn The Black Watch 6 Feb 1917 at Manchester as a Band Boy.
Father Edward Royle 33 Rodner Street Salford.
Edward was in an Industrial School near Manchester prior to joining the Black Watch.
Service at home 1917 to 1918
France 1918 to1919
India/Sudan 1919 to 1938
Home 1938 to 1939
France 1939 to 1940 Killed in action Rank WO111 ((PSM)
Married Margarit Marion Hollows at Farnworth on 15 4 1939,address 17 Carnaught Folkstone Kent.
Brother C Royle 25 Upper Duke st Manchester
Researching this Black Watch man,looking further information.can any one help?
Many Thanks
Joe

George, I think you need to specify what info you are after - you seem to have such a lot already!

Name: ROYLE, EDWARD
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer Class III (P.S.M.)
Regiment/Service: Black Watch (Royal Highlanders)
Unit Text: 1st Bn.
Age: 38
Date of Death: 09/06/1940
Service No: 2744989
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Divn. 67. Row R. Grave 10.
Cemetery: STE. MARIE CEMETERY, LE HAVRE

Cemetery: STE. MARIE CEMETERY, LE HAVRE
Country: France
Locality: Seine-Maritime
Visiting Information: Wheelchair access to this cemetery is possible with some difficulty. For further information regarding wheelchair access, please contact our Enquiries Section on telephone number 01628 507200.
Location Information: Ste. Marie Cemetery is one of the town cemeteries, but it is actually situated in the commune of Graville-St. Honorine, overlooking Le Havre from the north. The main entrance to the cemetery is on the Rue du 329ème Régiment d'Infanterie. There is another entrance on the west side of the cemetery which is closest to the main war graves plots and this can be accessed via the Rue Eugène Landoas. Please note that the sketch plan of the cemetery that can be downloaded from the Commissions website was drawn up many years ago as a guide to the layout of the plots within it. The road names and numbers shown on the plan are therefore no longer representative of today.
Historical Information: During the First World War, Le Havre was one of the ports at which the British Expeditionary Force disembarked in August 1914. Except for a short interval during the German advance in 1914, it remained No.1 Base throughout the war and by the end of May 1917, it contained three general and two stationary hospitals, and four convalescent depots. The first Commonwealth burials took place in Division 14 of Ste Marie Cemetery in mid August 1914. Burials in Divisions 19, 3, 62 and 64 followed successively. A memorial in Plot 62 marks the graves of 24 casualties from the hospital ship 'Salta' and her patrol boat, sunk by a mine on 10 April 1917. The memorial also commemorates by name the soldiers, nurses and merchant seamen lost from the 'Salta' whose bodies were not recovered, and those lost in the sinking of the hospital ship 'Galeka' (mined on 28 October 1916) and the transport ship 'Normandy' (torpedoed on 25 January 1918), whose graves are not known. There are now 1,690 Commonwealth burials of the First World War in this cemetery, 8 of which are unidentified. During the Second World War, Le Havre was one of the evacuation ports for the British Expeditionary force in 1940 and towards the end of the war it was used as a supply and reinforcement base. There are now 364 burials of the Second World War here,(59 of them unidentified) in Divisions 64 and 67 of the cemetery. The Commonwealth plots in the cemetery were designed by Sir Reginald Blomfield.
No. of Identified Casualties: 1993

Possible family connection...1881


Sarah KENWORTHY Head W Female 76 Reddish, Lancashire, England Property Owner
William H. KENWORTHY Son M Male 44 Stockport, Cheshire, England Labourer (Out Of Employ)
Emma ROYLE Daur W Female 47 Stockport, Cheshire, England Charwoman
John J. ROYLE Grdson U Male 16 Salford, Lancashire, England Porter
Emma C. ROYLE G Daur U Female 14 Salford, Lancashire, England
Charles K. ROYLE G Son U Male 13 Salford, Lancashire, England Tobacconists Assist
Sarah A. ROYLE G Daur U Female 11 Salford, Lancashire, England Scholar
Tabitha A. ROYLE G Daur U Female 9 Salford, Lancashire, England Scholar
Albert E. ROYLE G Son U Male 6 Salford, Lancashire, England Scholar
James RIDER Lodger M Male 69 Manchester, Lancashire, England Undertaker
Jane RIDER Lodgers Wife M Female 68 Manchester, Lancashire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 16 *Rodney* St
Census Place Salford, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341946
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3964 / 109
Page Number 6

many thanks for the replies.
Edward Royle was for many years in the Black Watch Military Band,22 years was promoted Band Sgt in 1937,in 28/11/1939 was appointed Warrant Officier class 111,
20 May 1940 was on the strength of 1st Bn Black Watch was posted to A coy as a Platoon Comd WO111 (Platoon Sergeant Major) in charge of 30+ men in an infantry Platoon,this is a big jump from Band Sgt to a PL Comd.??

The Adj was Captain B.C.Bradford,The book Escape from Saint Valery-En- Caux written by Andrew Bradford,this was where WO111 Royle was killed.
What I am looking for is: A photo of WO111 in the Band,or in uniform.
Also details of how he was killed.
Are there any relatives alive?
He was married in 1939.
Many Thanks
Joe
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Have you tried to get his miltary records.If you are close kin then you can apply for them.
You could also contact the Black Watch .they may have a website .

Have sent PM with possible birth, only Royle/Hollows marriage (from 1911) & birth found.

Also poss re-marriage 1942

Many thanks for the replys,I have his service record,and have been in touch with the Black Watch Musuem.
Joe

Is this your Edward on the 1911 census?

Edward Royle
Relationship to Head of Household Inmate
Gender M
Age 8
Estimated Year of Birth 1903
Occupation School
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Lancs; Salford
Institution Name Culcheth Cottage Homes Belonging To The Guardians Of The Salford Union
Institution Description Culcheth Cottage Homes, Newchurch
Enumerator Information
Address Newchurch Warrington
Parish Culcheth
Town Newchurch Warrington
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN23208 RD460 SD2 ED17 SN9999
Administrative County Lancashire
Registration District Leigh
Registration Sub District Culcheth
Enumeration District 17

You are wanting to trace living relatives - do you have his mothers name and the name or age of his brother & have you found the family on the 1901 census?

Thanks Mac
That could be Edward,
mothers maiden name Margart Marian Hollows,may have remarried again.
Joe

I thought that was Edward's wife's name - do you have his mother's name or brothers? - Think the brother could have been Charles - the only other "C" born Salford was Clifford who died age 5.

Did both his parents die - just that it looks like he ended up in a home in his early years.

You have his dob and place for father, is this from a birth certificate? If so it should give you mothers details.

The War Diary, if it has survived, should explain where he was and what he was involved in on the day of his death. WW2 War Diaries OCCASIONALLY have photos too - might be worth a look although it's still very unlikely there would be a photo of him there. The newspaper local to where he lived may have a report on his death and a photo.

Ref Edwards Mother,no information,also why was Edward in a Ind.school? I do not know.
Edwards DOB & information comes from his army record.
WO111.Edward Royle
I have a photo of him taken prior to going to France,1940.

Who killed WO111 PSM Royle? from Capt BC Bradford ADJ 1BW his son Andrew Bradford wrote "Escape from Saint Valery EN-Caux" Page 33 During all this time,enemy could be seen occasionally in front,but there was practically no firing.Enemy aircraft flew over several times very low.
PSM Royle was killed by Sgt ___???? who went quite mad.(Our best trench was used for burying PSM Royle in and later we regretted it very much)
So why was PSM killed? and who was Sgt?????
that is the question?? will we ever know??Capt Bradford must have known who Sgt ??? was,I wonder what happened to the Sgt?
I am posting on GR in the hope some one may have the information on what happened in France.
Who knows????
Joe

I can't imagine anyone on here would know. Perhaps the official record (War Diary) may well not give any information on his death but perhaps the Sergeant may be mentioned. Could the Sergeant have been Court Martialled? Again, there may well be records , but as you seem to have ignored what I posted before, perhaps you will do so again.

Sorry Ann
Thanks for your advice on the war diary and the local paper,but which local paper as I am not sure where Edward and his wife lived,I am trying to get in touch with Andrew Bradford wrote the book.
But not ignored,keep posting.
Joe

They possibly lived Colchester - that is where the child's birth was registered, also a birth after his wife's re-marriage. If they were living Folkestone the birth should have been registered in Folkestone.

This is the only birth registered Salford 1900-1902, if it is him a copy of the birth certificate should give you both parents details.

Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
Royle Edward Salford 8d 113

Think the address should be 33 Rodney Street, Salford - there wasn't a Rodner Street on 1901 census. Maybe someone with a FMP subscription could do an address search on the 1901 census please?

Thanks mac
Joe

hello Joe,

Researching now Edward Royle PSM and was wondering do you have that photo of him that you mention?

I know a few years have elapsed since your posting! I have not been able to locate a war Diary; many in the circumstances of a fighting rearguard were not priority!

Hope you can help

Roy

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