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Good evening :)

I made a topic regarding this guy's son, but when I continued it about a week ago no one replied.. so i'm hoping starting a fresh on this someone might be able to give me a hand.

His name is Charles Roberts, his common name has caused major difficultys finding him on the BMD so i've been unable to find which one is him to get the right birth/death certificate, I do however have his marriage certificate.

I'm hoping someone might be able to find him on the census records.. so far i haven't had much luck. This is all the info i have on him, he was born in 1857ish and I think he was born in the east end of London, most likely the Mile end, Hackney, Westham or Bethnal green sort of area. He was a Coachman. His father was William Roberts, a Upholsterer. He got married in 1883 and i'm mainly looking for any info on him prior to his marriage and i'm trying to find anything on his parents..

If anyone could give me a hand with geting abit futher back with this guy it would be great!

Who did he marry, what was his father's occupation, and who were the witnesses at his wedding. Do you know if any of the witnesses were related to Charles?

He married Emma Harvey, and his father's occupation was a upholsterer. And from the looks of it, the witness' were only from the wifes side of the family.. i've so far had no problems with tracing his wifes family.. it's just him.

Name: William Roberts
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1849
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Gender: Male
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Mile End Old Town
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 8 Harwood Cott
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Plasterer

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Roberts 66 <- Plasterer
William Roberts 32
Edward Roberts 30
Charles Roberts 22 <- wine porter

I'm currently looking at this family..

Personally, I would be more inclined towards this family?

In my experience, Carpentry + Upholstery often go 'hand-in-hand' and this father is a Carpenter:


1861 England Census
about Charles Roberts
Name: Charles Roberts
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Kensington St Mary Abbott
Ecclesiastical parish: Brompton Holy Trinity
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 179
Household Members: Name Age
William Roberts 32 .....Carpenter
Mary Ann Roberts 30
Wm George Roberts 9
Richard Roberts 8
Edward Roberts 5
**Charles Roberts 3


Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 20; Folio: 20; Page: 33; GSU roll: 542558.

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1871 England Census
about William Roberts
Name: William Roberts
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Civil parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: Brompton Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 3a
Household schedule number: 158
Household Members: Name Age
William Roberts 44 Carpenter journeyman
Mary Ann Roberts 42
William Roberts 20 Upholsterer !!!
Edward Roberts 16
**Charles Roberts 11
Mary A Roberts 6


Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 50; Folio: 16; Page: 24; GSU roll: 824570.

NOTE: - William Snr Carpenter Journeyman and son William is now an Upholsterer !!:
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The birth should be one of these:

Births Dec 1857 (>99%)
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Roberts Charles William Kensington 1a 95

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Births Jun 1858 (>99%)
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Roberts Charles Kensington 1a 50
Roberts Charles Daniel Kensington 1a 88 *********

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Births Jun 1859 (>99%)
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ROBERTS Charles William Kensington 1a 79


It is possible that William Snr. settled more into the Upholstery side as he got older??

Dea x

P.S.

Baptism records show the birth as this one?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Charles Daniel Roberts
Name: Charles Daniel Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Sep 1858
Father's Name: William Roberts ............Carpenter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Roberts
Parish: Holy Trinity, Brompton Road
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
County: Middlesex

address - 9 Brompton Rd.
born 26th April, 1858.

Dea x

Sorry - forget all the above .......... Sorry !!!

It was worth a look but I have now found Charles the Carpenter's son marrying Mary Parker in 1878.

I will leave it posted so that you can discount it though.

Back to the search.

Do you have 'your' Charles with Emma on any census after their marriage that I could take a look at please?

Dea x

Thanks Cathy,

I had found the marriage but I just can't place them on any census's together after they married.

Dea x

According to my family, Charles totally disapeared after his 3rd child was born in 1888, and by 1901 his wife was living with a new guy.. I presume he died sometime between 1888 and 1901, but I can't place a death certificate or find anything that backs that up!
But I do know for sure that his wife did get together with a new bloke by 1901, which is why he can't be found with her on the census, what really happened to him.. I have no idea.

Hi Talia,

Do you know who his three children were and when and where they were born please?

Dea x

There was
Charles Roberts Junior born 1884, Bethnal Green
Emma Roberts born 1885, Finsbury
Elizabeth 1888, Bethnal Green

I'm not sure exactly where they were born.. but I know their baptisms are on ancestry.

Yes, - I just found them:

Charles Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 1 Jun 1884
Father's Name: Charles Roberts
Mother's Name: Emma Roberts
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

1, New Tyssen?? St.
born May 11th 1884

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Emma Elizabeth Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 28 Nov 1886
Father's Name: Charles Roberts
Mother's Name: Emma Roberts
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

32, Leonard St, Finsbury
born 11th Nov, 1886

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Elizabeth Roberts
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 5 Feb 1888
Father's Name: Charles Roberts
Mother's Name: Emma Roberts
Parish: St Thomas, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

27, New Nichols St.
born 12th Jan, 1888
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Dea x

That's the ones.
It's abit of a pain tracing Charles.. :| The last census he must of appeared on would of been the 1881, but not knowing where he was born makes it so much more difficult!

I was looking down the line of him possibly being from Mile end, and his mother being a 'Ann Maria' Or ann, or maria.. or somthing. But since my ancestry membership run out I haven't had much success xD

Talia,

Could this be your Charles 1881

Chas Roberts 21y --Lodger--Coachman born M'sex Islington [ has Essex]

RG 11 Piece 442 folio 132

1 Nags Head Yard Whitechapel

Mavis

Well, I have just looked through all the London baptisms 5 years either side of 1857 and none of them had father who was an upholsterer!!

Dea x

Where was he living when he married in 1883? The 1881 is searchable by address.

That is a very possible Mavis.

Well done!

Dea x

Potty,

I think it was 16 Hare St. - I know I checked it out and he wasn't there.

Thanks though,

Dea x

Mavis, that was a very good find!
That guy fits the profile.. it would be good if it could be found that his father was William Roberts the Upholsterer!

I can only find him as this one - father 'another carpenter' !!!

1861:

ROBERTS, William Head Married M 34 1827 Carpenter And House Agent Whittlebury Northamptonshire
ROBERTS, Frances Wife Married F 28 1833 Sherford Norfolk
ROBERTS, William J Son M 3 1858 Scholar Islington Middlesex
ROBERTS, Charles L Son M 0 (3M) 1861 Islington Middlesex

1, Ann Street, Islington County:
London, Middlesex


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1871:
ROBERTS, Frances Head F 38 1833 Norfolk Wid.
ROBERTS, William Son M 13 1858 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Charles Son M 10 1861 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Arthur Son M 7 1864 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Frank Son M 5 1866 Middlesex
ROBERTS, Frances Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex VIEW

Address:
St Leonard St Priory Terrace, Bromley St Leonard County:
London, Middlesex

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Maybe her - remarried in 1881? - 'children-in-law' meaning 'step children'!!

PLUNKETT, George Head Married M 45 1836 House Painter Norwich Norfolk
PLUNKETT, Frances Wife Married F 47 1834 Thethford Norfolk
PLUNKETT, George Son Single M 7 1874 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex Islington Middlesex
ROBERTS, Frank Son In Law Single M 15 1866 Painter Shoreditch Middlesex
ROBERTS, Flora Daughter In Law Single F 11 1870 Scholar Shoreditch Middlesex


3, Mills Buildings, Prince Edward Street, Islington County:
Middlesex

Dea x

Another good find.
One thing that i'm not to sure about.. it says frances is a widow, but on Charles marriage it doesn't say anything about his father being deceased.. it could be wrong, but its just somthing random I thought of.