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Hi,

Would anyone with Ancestry access please be kind enough to have a look at the following birth entry and advise who the parents are shown as:

Jane Winifred Oaten March 1882, District of Marylebone, Volume 1A page 582.

I believe her parents to be Wilfred Oaten and Louisa Dennis, but I am not sure if this is what will be shown.

Any help would be appreciated.

Kind regards

Rachelle

ancestry doesnt show that info, only purchasing the cert will tell you

where/when did Wilfred & louisa marry?

presumably the couple on 1881 census

OATEN, Wilfred Head Married M 34 1847 Painter
BathSomerset
OATEN, Louisa Wife Married F 19 1862
Cornwall
DENNIVON, Florence Visitor Single F 13 1868 School
Cornwall
Address:
2, Arlington St, Islington

big age gap!

Rachelle


you cannot see the information on a birth certificate online ..... what we can give you is the BAPTISM if it occurred in a Lodnon church that has been transcribed.

Only the birth certificate will give you the maiden name of the mother.


There is this baptism


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Jane Winefred Oaten
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 23 Nov 1882
Father's Name: Wilfrid Isaac Oaten
Mother's Name: Louisa Oaten
Parish: St Mark, St John's Wood
Borough: Westminster
County: Middlesex


from image:-

name actually spelled Winefrid

Wilfrid occupation:- Labourer
Address:- 97 Trades Kent Road <<< not certain about Trades

Date of Birth:- Nov 13 1882

Date of Baptism:- Nov 23 1882



sylvia

The family in 1891???????


1891 Census

Name: Louisa Oaten
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Wilfred I
Gender: Female
Where born: Liskeard, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: Rectory
Town: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Christchurch

Wilfred I Oaten 32 House Painter
Louisa Oaten 28
Winifield J Oaten 7

Address:- Horford House Lodge, Regents Park



sylvia

Thanks so much,

Sorry I was not sure if they would show or not.

I have not been able to find a marriage between Wilfred and Louisa, I think they may have just resided togther and said that they were married. There were no other children to this union.

Wilfred was a Painter so the records seem to be the correct one for the 1881 census. I believe Wifred was born in 1858 in Bath to a William Oaten and an Eliza Harris, although I have not yet checked this myself.

Thank you all once again.

Kind regards

Rachelle

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Wilfred Oaten
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Louisa Dennis
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Nov 1880
Parish: St Saviour, Battersea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: William Oaten
Spouse Father Name: Henry Dennis



Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Saviour, Battersea, Register of marriages, P70/SAV, Item 016


Wilfred is a Painter.
His father William is a Schoolmaster.

Address at date of marriage - 17 Latcham (?) Road.

Well, they did get married:

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Louisa Dennis

Name: Louisa Dennis
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Spouse Name: Wilfred Oaten
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Nov 1880
Parish: St Saviour, Battersea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Henry Dennis ... Tailor
Spouse Father Name: William Oaten ...Schoolmaster

Address for both - 17 Latchman ? Rd.
Witnesses - Charles Stuart + Garzina??? Stuart.

Dea x

Edit:

Well, I couldn't leave poor 'Garzina' with a name like that could I ?

I found the witnesses on 1881 - Charles + 'Georgina' living at the same address which was on the wedding cert - now confirmed as 17 LatchMERE Road.

Charles was a Marine Lanscape Painter. - he married Georgina in 1873.(and she couldn't spell her name correctly then either Tee hee!)

Georgina was Louisa's sister!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Walter Charles Stuart
Name: Walter Charles Stuart
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Spouse Name: Georgina Dennis
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 31 Aug 1873
Parish: St Saviour, Battersea
County: Middlesex
Borough: Wandsworth
Father Name: Alexander Stuart
Spouse Father Name: Henry Dennis ... Tailor

Dea x

so is this Georgina Dennis with her family in 1861?


No Louisa though?!

And Henry is not a Tailor


1861 Census

Name: Georginna Dennis
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: St Germans, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Liskeard
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Liskeard

Henry Dennis 44 b.ca 1817, St Mewand, Cornwall, Mine Labourer
Mary A Dennis 38
Elijah Dennis 17 Miner (copper)
Charles Dennis 15 Carpenter
Elizabeth A Dennis 13
William H Dennis 11 Chandler
Georginna Dennis 9
Henrietta Dennis 7
Eliza A Dennis 3
Mary J Dennis 1



and this seems to be the only Louisa Dennis with father Henry. Again, Henry is not a Tailor


1861 Census

Name: Louisa Dennis
Age: 8
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Grace
Gender: Female
Where born: Wendron, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Helston
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Helston

Henry Dennis 40 Tea dealer
Grace Dennis 39
Thomas Dennis 19
Elizth Jane Dennis 18
Mary Ann Dennis 17
Henrietta Dennis 15
Henry Dennis 11
Joseph Dennis 9
Louisa Dennis 8
Lannia Dennis 7
Emily Dennis 5
Matilda Dennis 3
Julia Dennis 1
Lavinia Richards 25



Could they have told porkies at their marriages????????????



?????? This Louisa married a James Treloar in 1872 according to a Public Family Tree




sylvia

Oooer !!! - Something astray here then Sylvia ???

This is what I have from 1881 for reference.

1881 England Census
about Georgina Stuart
Name: Georgina Stuart
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1853
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: St Germains, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Battersea
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 17 Latchmere Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: 47
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Stuart 39
Georgina Stuart 28
Ianthe Stuart 6

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 647; Folio: 126; Page: 4; GSU roll: 1341149.

Dea x

Hi Dea


yeah, I looked at that 1881 census, that's why the first census caught my eye ...... plus it was the only Georginna showing!


and the district is Liskeard, which fits in with Louisa's birthplace on the 1891 census that I found



Cousins maybe????????????


I did try looking for Georgina and Louisa Dennis, without fahter, and wi various spellings .... but nothing came up.


or something strange ????????????????????


I did find a Georgina Dennis as a servant in Cornwall in 1871 .... but that of course is no help with parents!!



sylvia

bit late ( but i was bugging me)

Marriages Dec 1880 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

BROWN Henry Wandsworth 1d 974
Dennis Louisa Wandsworth 1d 974 <<
OUTEN Wilfred Wandsworth 1d 974 <<
Savage Rosina Wandsworth 1d 974

You guys are wonderful as solving mysteries!!

Thanks so much for all your help, Dea thanks how on earth did they make Garzina out Georgina!!!

Cracked it Sylvia !!!! - He's your Mine Labourer which you posted from 1861 !

(I will post it again just to keep them all together):

1861 England Census
about Henry Dennis
Name: Henry Dennis
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: St Mewand, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: Liskeard
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England


Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Liskeard
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 238
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Dennis 44 Mine labourer
Mary A Dennis 38
Elijah Dennis 17
Charles Dennis 15
Elizabeth A Dennis 13
William H Dennis 11
Georginna Dennis 9 ***************Georgina
Henrietta Dennis 7
Eliza A Dennis 3
Mary J Dennis 1

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1529; Folio: 105; Page: 45; GSU roll: 542826.

........................

The same family on 1871:

1871 England Census
about Mary Ann Dennis
Name: Mary Ann Dennis
Age: 47
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Morval, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Liskeard
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Liskeard
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 276
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Dennis 47 ..... Journeyman/Tailor's wife !!
Eliza A Dennis 12
Mary J Dennis 10
Emeline Dennis 8
Louisa Dennis 6 ********************Louisa
Samuel I Dennis 5
Florence E Dennis 3
Henrietta Burn 17 ..............dau. mar. wife of Royal Marine H.M.S. Juno ??
Charles Burn 1 month ..... grandson

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2237; Folio: 87; Page: 48; GSU roll: 834874.
...................

Henry is working away as a Tailor !!

1871 England Census
about Henry Dennis
Name: Henry Dennis
Age: 54
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: St Breward, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration district: Leather Market
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 161
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Wheatley 47
Jane Wheatley 45
Elizabeth Wheatley 18
Henry Dennis 54 ... Tailor !!! boarder.

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 627; Folio: 20; Page: 33; GSU roll: 818925.

....................

1881:

They are all now in Berkshire:

1881 England Census
about Henry Dennis
Name: Henry Dennis
Age: 64
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Breward, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Mary
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England

Street Address: Minster St 1 Moules Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Tailor *******

Registration district: Reading
Sub-registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Dennis 64
Mary Ann Dennis 57
Samuel John Dennis 15
Charles Burns 10

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1301; Folio: 28; Page: 3; GSU roll: 1341316.

..................

SO, they weren't 'telling porkies'! - Father was a Tailor.

I had thought of cousins, as you suggested, but that would have to mean their father's were brothers and it is unlikely
that 2 brothers would have the same name - Henry.

Anyway - this now shows that they were, in fact, sisters!

Weyy heyyy !! - Great teamwork!

Thanks all,

Dea x

P.S. - I expect Grace08 will be 'truly' Amazed now (tee hee!) - I just love her name !

Dea x

Sorry, couldn't resist a 'little bit more'

1851 England Census
about Henry Dennis
Name: Henry Dennis
Age: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: St Breward, Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Germans
Ecclesiastical parish: Hessenford
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England


Registration district: St Germans
Sub-registration district: Anthony
ED, institution, or vessel: 2f
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 80
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Dennis 34 .................................Tailor !!
Mary Ann Dennis 26
Elizah Goyne 7 ........wife's son !
Charles Dennis 5
Elizabeth A Dennis 3
William H Dennis 1
Samuel Goyns 21....... boarder.


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1900; Folio: 348; Page: 24; GSU roll: 221051.

...............

This 'appears to be him in 1841 - his father and brothers are also Tailors!

1841 England Census
about Henry Dennis
Name: Henry Dennis
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil parish: St Breward
Hundred: Trigg
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation: View image

Registration district: Camelford
Sub-registration district: Camelford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Dennis 62
Henry Dennis 20
James Dennis 16
Charles Dennis 15
Elizabeth Dennis 50
Sarah Dennis 22
Henry Dennis 2
Ann Dennis 9 Mo


Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 152; Book: 6; Civil Parish: St Breward; County: Cornwall; Enumeration District: 5; Folio: 5; Page: 2; Line: 22; GSU roll: 241273.


Dea x

Dea


Fantastic!!


I di find Henry Dennis, Tailor, living by himslef as a Boarder in London


But I never followed the trail


Great work!!




sylvia
xxx

OOOhh Hi Sylvia,

Was just going to bed\\\\11

Will catch up in the morning,

x