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30 Jan 2011 19:40 |
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Hello, can anyone tell me anything about this person please? On the 1851 census he is listed as male aged 6 yrs but I hope that is wrong and is female. Is this sort of error possible? I cannot find his/her birth or any further record of him/her.
Mother is Sarah Morley b Shudy Camps Cambs, father Robert Morley b Linton Cambs. Thank you very much for anything you can tell me
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30 Jan 2011 21:35 |
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Still male on ancestry in 1871 (not yet seen 1861):
1871 England Census
Francis Morley
Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1846 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Linton, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Linton Ecclesiastical parish: Ely County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Registration district: Linton Sub-registration district: Linton
ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 60
Francis Morley 25 domestic servant
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1592; Folio: 85; Page: 13; GSU roll: 829810.
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30 Jan 2011 21:40 |
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Have you got a marriage for Sarah to Robert?
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30 Jan 2011 21:56 |
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1841 England Census
Robert Morley
Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Gender: Male Where born: Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Linton Hundred: Chilford County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Registration district: Linton Sub-registration district: Linton
Robert Morley 50
Sarah Morley 30
Martha Wright 7
Susan Wright 5
Jane Morley 1
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 66; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Linton; County: Cambridgeshire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 18; Page: 30; Line: 12; GSU roll: 241223.
1851 England Census
Robert Morley
Age: 60 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Morley
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Linton, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Linton Ecclesiastical parish: Ely County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Registration district: Linton Sub-registration district: Duxford ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Household schedule number: 106
Robert Morley 60 Chelsea Pensioner
Sarah Morley 44
Susan Morley 16
Sam Morley 11
Daniel Morley 9
Francis Morley 6
William Morley 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1761; Folio: 234; Page: 25; GSU roll: 193653.
1861 England Census
Robert Morley
Age: 70 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Morley Gender: Male
Where born: Linton, Cambridgeshire, England Civil Parish: Linton County/Island: Cambridgeshire Country: England Registration district: Linton Sub-registration district: Linton ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 28
Robert Morley 70 Pensioner
Sarah Morley 54
Daniel Morley 18
Willm Morley 12
Allin Morley 9
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1029; Folio: 47; Page: 5; GSU roll: 542740.
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30 Jan 2011 22:22 |
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www2.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/db/ridbirths.nsf/search?OpenForm
(above link Camdex useful for Cambridgeshire BMD's, gives area)
Surname: MORLEY
Forename: Frances
Middle Initial:
Year of Birth: 1845
Reference: 331/LIN/3/455
Chris :)
Parish Records Collection - baptism
Day: 21
Month: Sep
Year: 1861
Forenames: Frances
Surname: MORLEY
Relationship: of
Father forenames: Robert
Fathers occupation: bricklayer
Mother forenames: Sarah
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode: otp
Place: Linton
County: Cambridgeshire,England
(could be an older Baptism?)
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Julia
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30 Jan 2011 22:30 |
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Thank you very much everyone.
I am trying to work out how Sarah was Alice Maud's grandmother (census 1881) when Alice Maud's birth certificate says Frances Morley was her mother. I hoped the male Francis, (on 1851 census) son of Sarah was a mistake and was female, making her Alice Maud's mother. If you get what I mean!!! ??Thank you again
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30 Jan 2011 22:36 |
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Does Alice Maud have a Father?
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30 Jan 2011 22:47 |
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Chris Ho :) Request Review Edit Delete 17th Jan 2011
Day: 18
Month: Apr
Year: 1879
Forenames: Alice Maud
Surname: MORLEY
Relationship: of
Father forenames:
Fathers occupation: single woman
Mother forenames: Frances
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode: otp
Place: Linton
County: Cambridgeshire,England
Record source: Cambridgeshire Baptisms
Data provider: Cambridgeshire Family History Society
Chris :)
(adding this from other 'Thread')
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Julia
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30 Jan 2011 22:53 |
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No record of her father on her birth certificate, or baptism record
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30 Jan 2011 22:59 |
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Have you got a marriage certificate for Alice Maud?
Added:
Marriages Dec 1901
MELTON Arthur Charles Linton 3b 1153
xxx MORLEY Alice Maud Linton 3b 1153
Peck Annie Maria Linton 3b 1153
xxx WHITE George Henry Linton 3b 1153
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Julia
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30 Jan 2011 23:06 |
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No, and I wonder if she ever knew who her father was. I was really trying to nail down a mother first, hence getting her birth certificate. I suppose the marriage cert will have her father's name on it if she knew who he was?
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30 Jan 2011 23:28 |
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I just wondered what it might say (marriage certificate).
And why cannot I see Francis/Frances (or Daniel) Morley births in Linton?
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31 Jan 2011 09:30 |
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I am so new to this, I don't understand how people go missing on the various records, other than mistakes in the writing or reading. I have seen Linton transcribed as Sinton and Alice transcribed as Allin, so am looking at possible mistakes of that nature. Thank you for all your help.
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31 Jan 2011 12:18 |
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Think next time I go to Cambridge RO I'll take a look Julia :-) (I'm not far from it)
The 1901 Marriage Cert. posted would be good for a start. I can't see details of it on Find My Past Cambs. Parish Records (could be a neighbouring Parish to Linton, they don't cover all Parishes on FMP) Robert and Sarah are there 1840.
Might be that you just never find the answer to Alice's Father...
Chris :)
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31 Jan 2011 12:30 |
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Day: 4
Month: Jun
Year: 1843
Forenames: Robert Daniel
Surname: MORLEY
Relationship: son of
Father forenames: Robert
Fathers occupation: bricklayer
Mother forenames: Sarah
Birth Day: 18
Birth Month: Feb
Birth Year:
Abode: otp
Place: Linton
County: Cambridgeshire,England
(this might be the Daniel who was on 1851)
Chris :)
Collection - baptism
Day: 23
Month: Jan
Year: 1842
Forenames: Jane
Surname: MORLEY
Relationship: dau of
Father forenames: Robert
Fathers occupation: bricklayer
Mother forenames: Sarah
Birth Day: 22
Birth Month: Jun
Birth Year:
Abode: otp
Place: Linton
County: Cambridgeshire,England
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31 Jan 2011 12:38 |
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Day: 30
Month: Nov
Year: 1860
Forenames: Alice
Surname: MORLEY
Relationship: of
Father forenames: Robert
Fathers occupation: bricklayer
Mother forenames: Sarah
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode: otp
Place: Linton
Cambridgeshire Baptisms
(another older Baptism perhaps, Alice on 1861 census, and William, same day)
Day: 30
Month: Nov
Year: 1860
Forenames: William
Surname: MORLEY
Relationship: of
Father forenames: Robert
Fathers occupation: bricklayer
Mother forenames: Sarah
Birth Day:
Birth Month:
Birth Year:
Abode: otp
Place: Linton
County: Cambridgeshire,England
Baptism
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31 Jan 2011 15:05 |
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Wow!!!
Thank you again Chris for all your efforts. I live in Banbury so it is a bit of a journey but I plan to have a day out one day and indulge myself.
Wonder why they left it so long and then had them baptised?? Why didn't I think of looking for Robert as a first name for one of his children. Logical
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31 Jan 2011 16:46 |
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William is certainly Alice Maud's father. the 1881 census shows her father as William Morley!! Hooray. Still no news on mother Frances Morley. All a bit strange.
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31 Jan 2011 17:07 |
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1881
MORLEY, Sarah Head Widow F 70 1811 Pauper
Shudy Camps
Cambridgeshire VIEW
MORLEY, William Son Single M 32 1849 Bricklayers Labr
Linton
Cambridgeshire VIEW
MORLEY, Alice M Grand Daughter Single F 2 1879
Linton
Cambridgeshire VIEW
RG number:
RG11 Piece:
1672 Folio:
53 Page:
13
Registration District:
Linton Sub District:
Linton Enumeration District:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
Civil Parish:
Linton Municipal Borough:
Address:
High Street, Linton County:
Cambridgeshire
I saw that Julia, but took Alice to be Grandaughter of Sarah, but with Frances unmarried daughter as Mother!, but can't see Frances anywhere after 1851...
Best bet is to send for Marriage Cert...
Chris :)
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31 Jan 2011 17:27 |
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Yes, me too Chris, but the transcription of the census on Ancestry.co says Alice Maud's Father is William Morley. I wonder if someone just made that assumption then, and is not based on hard evidence. I just got drawn in.
I have changed my tree backwards and forwards so many times. On the 1851 census it says Francis (with an I) is male aged 6 so that would have to be wrong too. If Frances is female I think you are correct. It sounds likely and family stories say Alice Maud's mother died young and father was a merchant seaman who died at sea. That would fit.
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