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HI FOLKS,

I CANNOT FIND THE PARENTS OR SIBLINGS OF JAMES.

I HAVE HIM ON THE 1861 CENSUS, HE IS MARRIED TO MARY (SOMETIMES DOWN AS MARY ANN), HIS SON JAMES (C1856 WALSALL) IS MY G G GRANDFATHER.

I CANNOT TRACE HIM IN EVERY CENSUS YEAR, WHICH IS FRUSTRATING.

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO KNOW WHAT MARY'S MAIDEN WAS.

BOTH JAMES (SNR) AND MARY LIVED TO A RIPE OLD AGE AND CAN BE FOUND IN THE 1901 CENSUS IN WARWICKSHIRE.

ANY HELP WOULD BE GRATEFULLY RECEIVED.

DEE

Hi Denise,

His 1881 entry states born in Blockley. This parish is close to the Glouc / Worc / W'wk boundaries, which have moved over the years.

HI IVY,

YES THAT'S HIM.

YOU WOULD THINK WITH A SURNAME THAT ISN'T SO COMMON YOU'D BE ABLE TO TRACE THE FAMILY BACK, BUT I'VE BEEN HAVING A REAL PROBLEM WITH HIM.

THANKS, DEE

JAMES LIVELY

Birth:
Christening: 03 SEP 1856 Saint Matthew, Walsall, Stafford, England Parents:

Father: JAMES LIVELY
Mother: MARY

So this is the 1861 census?

Name: James Liveley
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Blockey, Worcestershire, England

Civil Parish: Berkswell
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Meriden
Sub registration district: Meriden
ED, institution, or vessel: 2

Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
James Liveley 28
James Liveley 4
Mary Ann Liveley 25 b B'ham approx 1836 (ancestry transcript, images freezing...)

She's 15 years his senior on the 1881?

Are you sure they married at all, and that they weren't just living together due to the fact she maybe had a husband still alive somewhere and unable to divorce?

Tracey

Aah, there is something about the Victorian L which makes it so difficult to transcribe accurately!

Name: James Diveley
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Blockley, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Baddesley Ensor
Town: Baddesley Ensor
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Registration district: Atherstone
Sub registration district: Atherstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 22

Household Members: Name Age
Harriet Diveley 7
James Diveley 39
Mary Diveley 53 [Edit - b Whitacre appox 1818]
Mary J Diveley 9

Tracey, I see what you mean - there may be two different individuals named Mary...

I would suggest the earlier one has been rounded down...?

HI,

ONLY WENT TO MAKE A CUPPA, YOU LOT WORK FAST.

AS MY SON WOULD SAY OMG!!!

SO JAMES (JNR) HAD SISTERS!!!!

YOU'RE BRILLIANT

I live a stones throw from Baddesley Ensor and Atherstone/Polesworth!!

If this gets as far as looking for grave stones i'll happily take a tootle over tomorrow lol

Tracey

- poss death record?

Mary Ann Liveley abt 1835 1869 Apr-May-Jun Atherstone

- perhaps you're on?

- good luck all, I must go and make dinner!

HI,

THAT WOUL;D BE FANTASTIC TRACY, THANK YOU.

IVY, DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE FIRST WIFE OF JAMES (MARY ANN) DIED AND HE WENT ON TO MARRY ANOTHER MARY??

YOU LOT ARE GOING SO FAST I CANT KEEP UP.

MANY MANY THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP,

DEE

James' second marriage from the Warwickshire site


Warwickshire Registration- LIVELY James - 1870

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Surname: LIVELY

Forename: James

Middle Initial:

Year of Marriage: 1870

Reference: 767/NWC9/1/84/1

District: ATHERSTONE (the Registration District in which the marriage took place)

Spouses Surname(s): BATES

Her first name is Mary.


Possible first marriage for James

Humphrey James Lively/Mary Ann Cashmore
Year of Registration: 1855
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Meriden
County: Warwickshire, West Midlands
Volume: 6d
Page: 350

Only the two names on the page so cannot tell if this is the correct pairing.

James jnr's birth cert would give his mother's name

James Lively
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Walsall
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 501

Andy

We need to find out where they end up first!!

Hi Andy,

Looking at the first marriage and picking up the name Humphrey Liveley, this is looking really good. After the 1851 census I cannot see Humphrey anywhere, so did he just use his middle name there on???

That's possibly why I couldn't find him as James on the 1841 census.

many thanks,

Dee