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6 Mar 2010 18:31 |
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hi am trying to find the 1861 census for a william hutchinson, he married a elizabeth loadman on 22/06/1844 in kirkby stepen westmorland, i have found him and his family in the 1851c william hutchinson head 36 elizabeth hutchinson wife 33 john hutchinson son 5 margaret hutchinson daug 2 dinah loadman mother in law 67 i know they had another daughter in 1856 as this was my grt gran (elizabeth hutchinson ) i can not find the family in 1861 0r 1871 any help would be much appreciated many thanks melody.x
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6 Mar 2010 18:38 |
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Elizabeth Hutchinson Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Kirkby Stephen Ecclesiastical parish: Carlisle Town: Kirkby Stephen County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 127 Household Members: Name Age William Hutchinson 45 Elizabeth Hutchinson 43 John Hutchinson 15 Margaret J Hutchinson 12 William Hutchinson 9 Anthony Hutchinson 7 Elizabeth Hutchinson 5 Eleanor Hutchinson 2
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6 Mar 2010 18:39 |
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1861 census?
Name: William Hutchinson Age: 45 Estimated birth year: abt 1816 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Kirkby Stephen Ecclesiastical parish: Carlisle Town: Kirkby Stephen County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 127 Household Members: Name Age William Hutchinson 45 Elizabeth Hutchinson 43 John Hutchinson 15 Margaret J Hutchinson 12 William Hutchinson 9 Anthony Hutchinson 7 Elizabeth Hutchinson 5 Eleanor Hutchinson 2
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6 Mar 2010 18:40 |
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thanks astra where did you find it as i couldnt find a copy of it on here?
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6 Mar 2010 18:41 |
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This appears to be the family in the 1871 census but without William
Name: Elizabeth Hutchinson Age: 53 Estimated birth year: abt 1818 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Kirkby Stephen Town: Kirkby Stephen County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 25 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Hutchinson 53 Formerly Joiners Wife Margaret Hutchinson 22 William Hutchinson 14 Anthony Hutchinson 17 Ellen Hutchinson 12 George Hawler 28 James Clarke 24 Henry Leech 12
The last 3 named are Boarders The census implies she is a Widow but I think that this isn'tthe case as I'm sure I've seen him in the 1891 census! Take this back I think this is another William Hutchinson.
Looks like William possibly died
Deaths Dec 1862 Hutchinson William E Ward 10b 385
Kirkby Stephens is in the registration district of E Ward
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6 Mar 2010 18:45 |
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thank belle i wonder where my great gran is in 1871? kind regards melody.x
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6 Mar 2010 18:45 |
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Found it on Ancestry Melody
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6 Mar 2010 18:46 |
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Elizabeth is a Servant in 1871
Elizabeth Hutchinson Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Westd, Kirkby Stephen Civil parish: Kirkby Stephen County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 91 Household Members: Name Age Robt Hewitson 68 Isabella Hewitson 70 Elizabeth Hutchinson 15 John Hutchinson 65
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6 Mar 2010 18:47 |
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am not a member of ansestry thanks for your help i really appreciate it kind regards melody.x
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6 Mar 2010 18:48 |
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Looks like she's a Servant!
1871 census
ame: Elizabeth Hutchinson Age: 15 Estimated birth year: abt 1856 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Westd, Kirkby Stephen Civil parish: Kirkby Stephen County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Kirkby Stephen ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 91 Household Members: Name Age Robt Hewitson 68 occ Landowner Isabella Hewitson 70 Elizabeth Hutchinson 15 John Hutchinson 65 image reads John Hewitson Visitor occ Landowner
Address Main St Kirkby Stephens
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6 Mar 2010 18:58 |
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if i put my email on here would one of you please send me coppies?
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Astra
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6 Mar 2010 19:07 |
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Just as an added extra to the info on William I have found this In 1871 there is a John Hutchinson as a visitor where Elizabeth is a servant. He could be a relative These are all the children of Adam Hutchinson and Elizabeth Brunskill. John and William could be brothers as Mallerstang is just outside of Kirkby Stephen. Worth a thought
Elizabeth Hutchinson 17 Nov 1794 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1794 Jane Hutchinson 27 Feb 1798 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1798 Adam Hutchinson 15 Dec 1799 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1799 Ann Hutchinson 28 Mar 1802 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1802 Joshua Hutchinson 4 Nov 1804 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1804 Ann Hutchinson 7 Feb 1808 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1808 John Hutchinson 15 Nov 1810 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1810 Robert Hutchinson 31 Oct 1813 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England abt 1813 William Hutchinson 11 Sep 1818 Mallerstang, Westmorland, England 3 Sep 1818
Scratch that. On the original John is a Hewitson. Adam and Elizabeth could still be William's parents though.
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6 Mar 2010 19:08 |
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Don't put it on here Sugar. Click on my name and send me a PM and let me know exactly what you want. Astra xx
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6 Mar 2010 19:22 |
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hi i have sent you a PM i have william hutchinson down as being born on 19/11/1815 in kirkby stepen, not sure who is parents are father could be a john hutchinson but am not a 100%
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6 Mar 2010 21:41 |
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hi can you help me again please looking for william hutchinsons parents william was born 19/11/1815 in kirkby died 07/12/1862 could you help me find out who his parents are and if he had any brothers or sisters please kind regards melody.x
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7 Mar 2010 06:43 |
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There is this submitted entry on the IGI which I think is where your information came from as there is one for his birth and another for his death but they are all submitted. There are quite a few others including the one I posted above and there is a submitted entry for that one saying that William died at a couple of months old.
WILLIAM HUTCHINSON Pedigree Male Family : Father: JOHN HUTCHINSON Family Mother: MARGARET OR JANE Marriages: Spouse: ELIZABETH MARGARET LOADMAN Family Marriage: 22 JUN 1844 Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Husband Age at Marriage: 29 Wife Age at Marriage: 27
and then there is this one which has the same date of death
WILLIAM HUTCHINSON Pedigree Male Event(s): Birth: Christening: 15 JAN 1816 Winton, Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Death: 07 DEC 1862 Burial: Parents: Father: THOMAS HUTCHINSON Family Mother: ELIZABETH
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7 Mar 2010 16:34 |
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By looking through the census pages for the registration district of Kirkby Stephens I have found the following entry it's in District 7 which covers Kirkby Stephens itself and is on Page 14
John Hutchinson 47 occ Carpenter Margaret 48 Wm aged 25 Agness 19
Of course, Margaret might not be the mother of Wm & Agness because as we know a lot of women died young in childbirth in those days.
There is another Hutchinson family living next door but I can't for the life of me fathom out the name of the male head (could it be Anthony perhaps?)....he is a Shoemaker aged 47 (perhaps a brother?) married to Rachel aged 49. They have a son aged 10 with what looks like the same name as his father.
In this same district is Elizabeth Loadman aged 25 (who it is believed to be your William's wife) living with her mother Dinah Loadman aged 35 occ School Mistress.
In District 6 there is a William aged 25 occ Carpenter and Mary 20 but this district covers Winton and I think William & Mary are husband & wife. Also, I think this might be William that appears in the 1891 census which is not your William.
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7 Mar 2010 17:57 |
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hi thanks for the help much appreciated, i think i have found john hutchinson in the 1851 census year of birth for him is 1794 kirkby his occ is carpenter and wheelright living on his own cant find him on here for the 1841, in 1861 if its the same john he is down as living with his wife margaret his occ is collieuter graffer and dean, but then in 1871 he is living with his wife margaret and a son and daurghter but i cant make out there names occupation back down as carpenter, do you think it is the same man ?
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7 Mar 2010 18:09 |
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Sorry, I forgot to say that the entry I have shown above is for the 1841 census
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7 Mar 2010 18:16 |
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Yes, I think that is the same John in the 1851 census. You will note that he is listed as married.
If you put Margaret's details in you get
1851 census
Name: Margaret Hutchinson Age: 58 Estimated birth year: abt 1793 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland, England Civil parish: Wharton Ecclesiastical parish: Kirkby Stephen County/Island: Westmorland Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: East Ward Sub-registration district: Appleby ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 5 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Herd Wilkinson 27 Sarah Herd Wilkinson 26 Dorothy Herd Wilkinson 10 Mo William Herd Wilkinson 62 Elizabeth Hutchinson 19 Servant b Crosby Garrett Robert Thompson 47 Thomas Herd 32 >>>Margaret Hutchinson 58 Mary Blades 28
Sarah Herd Wilkinson, I believe, is Sarah Hutchinson.....perhaps a daughter and then sister to your William
Marriages Mar 1849 Hutchinson Sarah E. Ward 25 443 Wilkinson Thomas Hird E Ward 25 443
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