Find Ancestors

can anyone help me im trying to research my grandmas and grandads family my grandad ernest w beeby from nottingham born 24 oct 1919 his mothers maidan name was hand and his dad surname was beeby my grandad married elsie carter born 08 apr 1923 in wigan whose mothers maiden name was bibby and her dads name was albert carter beleived to be from liverpool my grandads familycame from nottingham can any one find out what and when there parents were married what there was married and who the rest of the family is there parents and brothers and sisters i know all te information on th children my grandma and grandad have its just id like to find out about my great grandparents and there brothers and sisters to build up a family tree for my grandma as she knew her mother but in days you wasnt allowed to know your mothers name but she dosent remember very well anyway anymore but she said the name edi sounds formilary if that helps ernest carter and ?bibby had 3 children as far as know unless you got some surprises for me there was billy or bill ,doris and elsie and ?hand and ?beeby had 3 as well as far as i know sally, john and ernest william can anyone help me as know your really good at this

Lisa,
From an oldie this post is so hard to read, no puctuation or capital letters,
sorry to be a Victoria Meldrew.

Sylvie

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Beeby Edith Hand Nottingham 7b 945

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Sep 1915 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Beeby William H Hand Nottingham 7b 653

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Births Dec 1919 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Beeby Ernest W Hand Nottingham 7b 712


This looks like three children to these parents

thank you i asumed it was william beeby as my grandfathers middle name is william and ei is short for edith

1901 England Census
about William H Beeby
Name: William H Beeby
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Parent's Name: Sarah E
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Nottingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Nottingham
Sub-registration district: Nottingham South East
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 56
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah E Place 43
William H Beeby 25
Sarah E Place 12
John J Place 6
Edith E Beeby 21


This looks like the family,Edith E is the wife of William H,Sarah is Williams mother.
On looking at the org image Sarah is a widow,William is said to be her son married to Edith ,so I am assuming William was born out of wedlock before Sarah married Mr Place.
Living at 5 bunhilll row.

there was definatly a john and a sally as john died in derby and sally as my grandads brother and sister i can remember my aunt sall as we use to call her can you not see temonthe births cart

Hi Lisa
Sorry Census reports do not show Months of birth.

thank you for that information did nobody have any luck with my grandmas family ernest carter and ? bibby on the cencus records or wedding records and wlliam h mother then was her maiden name beeby then if she had a child out of wedlock

sorry going mad albert carter not ernest

thanks root gatherer i found out that my gandmas mum was margaret a bibby married albert e carter in wigan 1920 and on your records elsie carter jun 1923 is my grandma but she was born april so i dont know why it shows june unless thats when they got the records in

hi lisa
marriage william henry beeby to edith ellen hand 15 5 1899 notts st catherine
sarah elizabeth beeby to samuel place 30 3 1877 sneinton st matthius
baptisms
sarah elizabeth place to samuel and sarah elizabeth 23 1 1889 notts st paul
princess st
mary ann 24 8 1892 notts st catherine 10 north st
john james 16 3 1895 born baptism 14 4 1894 notts st catherine 14 north st
regards sharon

thank you sharon very helpfull can i ask you what are the olds of 2 female hands marrying 2 male beebys from the same area and edith and william had 3 children ernest w (my grandad) john and sally but for some reason i cant find her what do you think the problem is i always know her as aunt sall as her name was sally but i just cant find her

Hi Lisa
It is very probable that Sarah was known as Sall short for Sarah,seeing as we can't find a birth for a sally.
Nowadays she would have been called sar's for short as that is what happens here in OZ.Regards Susan

thanks you guys so much you are really helpfull ,i saw my nana today and she said sally was infact as you said sarah elizabeth beeby ,i know albert e carter married margaret a bibby in wigan 1920jul,aug,sep cause i saw it my self on the files they had 4 children i really dont know how you guys are so good at this job cus the only thing i found was that info ive just give you now ive got the fun part of trying to research the rest cus from my grandads side ernest w beeby born 24 oct 1919 his mother was edith ellen hand and father william henry beeby had 3 children ernest,sarah elizabeth and john francis beeby but there was alot of children who died and i would like to know who they was ad what there names where .And williams henrys mum (SARAH ELIZABETH BEebY)after she had him out of wedlock she married samual place and had children with him so ive got toty and find a way of finding out who they are and who they married and there kids i think this one is gonna be hard one to crack any help is welcome

hi lisa
possible marriages sarah elizabeth place sept 1911 to ernest allcock
kids john j june 1920 notts
joan dec 1926 notts
john j place to alice shardlow sept 1919 notts
kids elsie e june 1912 and jessie m march 1914 notts
regards sharon

THAKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP YOU GUYS MY TREE IS REALLY COMING ALONG NOW THERESSTILL LOTS MORE TO FILL IN BUT THE FAMILYS YOU FOUND FOR ME ARE THE RIGHT FAMILYS ANYWAY SO WERE ON THE RIGHT TRACK IM JUST HAVEING PROBLEMS WITH MY NANAS MUM MARGARET A BIBBY MY NANA SAID HER GRANDAD WE USED TO CALL HIM TOMMY AND MARGARET HAD 2 SISTERS ONE MARY ND HE OTHER HANNAH AND HER BROTHERS WHERE JOHN ,EDWARD,AND HENRY SO CAN SOME ONE FIND HER FOR ME THANK YOU

Lisa you will need to invest in some certs to confirm this work & gain further information. I'm afraid that this is not a cheap hobby

thank you guys my aunt gave me some paperwork that went back to 1850s so most of that ive got covered its just the familys that are left now and trying to work out if we got any living relatives out there now dear rootgatherer albert edward carter born 1898 to william james carter and mother eliza ann carter(cardwell) and margaret a bibby our mystery women so to speak was born 8 jul 1898 to edward bibby and mother margaret bibby(harrison) both from wigan do you think you be able to do some resaerch for me and find them now,also my greatgrandfather william henry beeby ws illigitamet child 11 jul 1876 born to sarah elizabeth beeby bu she married samual place in 1877 my aunty recens on early records william wasnt called beeby he was called place but i dont know how tis wouldof happened as we would be places no instad of beebys and i dont think samual was his dad can you do checkingon that as well thank you soso grateful can anyone check 1911 cences for wiiam hnry beeby and wife edith ellen beeby(Hand)

If we lookup 1920q3 marriages for Wigan (or any place), we find very few are transcribed (only 0% transcribed so far).
Marriages Sep 1920 (0%)

However, we can view images at:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
and find
1920q3 p=c217/b108
Carter, Albert E Bibby Wigan 8c 145
Bibby, Margaret A Carter Wigan 8c 145

The GRO isn't the only place one can buy their m.cert - one can also buy it from Wigan RO, and the local index is partially online at:
http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
so we find:

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1920
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
CARTER Albert Edward BIBBY Margaret Alice St. Wilfred,Standish Wigan & Leigh C28/6/408


Unsurprisingly, for an event so recent, there's nothing at:
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Standish/StWilfrids/index.html
(For St. Wilfred, Standish, Marriages are available between 1653 and 1840.)

Since your Emanuael seemed to have a nice name, I looked him up on LancsBMD, which also gives the sub-district they were rego'ed in.

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BIBBY Emanuel Standish Wigan & Leigh STND/22/72
BIBBY Mary Ellen Standish Wigan & Leigh STND/22/233
BIBBY William Standish Wigan & Leigh STND/22/101

Emanuael was rego'ed 1880q1 and Mary Ellen 1880q3, so there were at least 3 Bibby families in Standish having kids in 1880. This would make it awkward to look for births and matching deaths to explain the big gap in Andrew and Jane's kids showing in 1881. Of course, some of the ambiguity could be resolved by checking the parish records at Preston, or renting the LDS film to view at one of their FH Centres.

There is some discrepancy between Lancs OPC, and the LDS FHL entry:
Note Location Film
Baptisms and burials 1560-1900 Marriages 1560-1792 Baptisms (District of Crooke) 1859-1866 FHL BRITISH Film 1526140 Items 3-15
Marriages 1792-1900 Burials 1813-1900 FHL BRITISH Film 1526141
cf http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Standish/StWilfrids/index.html