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Born 1861 St Luke London. Father John Sussex, Mother Jane Sussex (Douglas) BirthCert.
1861 Census. Mother Jane Aupin aged 29.
George Douglas aged 3 months.
1871 Census Geogre Douglas aged 10 lving with his uncle George Sussex.
1881 Census George Douglas aged 20 Unemployed living with John Sussex
Married Caroline Evan 1886. St. Thomas Church, St James, Westminster Marriage cert gives father as George Sussex.

What is it that you are asking for help with exactly please.
You dont really say.
viv

It looks to me that you could have two different people on the certs,but why would he be given the middle name Douglas,his mothers maiden name, and have it on the birth and marriage cert then?

What does it say for the fathers occupations on both certs?Are they the same or similar?

If you are after the George that married Caroline Evan/s
Then this is him in 1891 mistranscribed.

1891 England Census
about George Susser
Name: George Susser
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Carolina
Gender: Male
Where born: Islington, London, England

Civil parish: St James Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas and St John the Baptist
Town: Westminster
County/Island: London
Country: England


Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St James Westminster
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Susser 31 <<<<<porter as a job
Carolina Susser 31
Harry Susser 3
Carolina Susser 1
James Evans 21 <<<lodger.

1881

Name: George D. Sussex
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Martin in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 3 Charles Buildgs
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Unemployed
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Are you saying that this 1861 census is the same person?
If so how do you come to that conclusion?
Name: George Aupin
Age: 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Luke
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

At last I found him on 1871.

1871 England Census
about George Douglas
Name: George Douglas
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Road
Civil parish: Poplar
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
George Sussex 31
Jemima Sussex 31
Ada Mary Sussex 1
Walter Herbert Sussex 3 months
George Douglas 10 <<<born City Road on image.

There is no Sussex for his name on the census and he is last on the list.
May he have really been born just plain George Douglas and been given the name Sussex by his "UNCLE/s" ?
And therefore maybe put down George sussex as his father on the marriage cert as that was who brought him up?

I still dont get how you get him as Aupin in 1861.

The address on birth Cert 11, City Garden Row, checks with the address on 1861 Census Both mothers named Jane one Douglas the other Aupin.
Birth Cert 1861 Father John occupation Porter
Marriage Cert 1886 Father George occupation Porter

Viv thought maybe I could help - but I guess I'd want the answer to the first question first: what are you looking for exactly? And maybe a 'thank you' to Viv ...

Upon looking at the 1881 it would appear that the surname Sussex had a monopoly on being "porters"!

My I apologize for not thanking you, at my age 75, I should know better. Please forgive me
Sid Sussex.

Sid, you're still not stating a question!


Uncle George Sussex in 1871

Name: George Sussex
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jemima
Where born: Chelsea
Civil parish: Poplar


Seems to be this one in 1861

Name: George Sussex
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Lambeth

Henry Sussex 51 - tallow chandler
George Sussex 21 - printer
Charles Sussex 19 - porter
Emma Sussex 16
William Sussex 14
Henry Sussex 12
John Sussex 10
Alfred Sussex 8
Alfred Sussex 55
Catherine Sussex 75


If so - that George has a brother aged 10 in 1861 who wasn't likely fathering a kid that year. So the relationship to uncle George in 1871 seems a little off, if that's your George Douglas Sussex and his father was John Sussex.

I might wonder whether Jane Douglas and uncle George Sussex were not the parents of George Douglas Sussex, in fact. And he is recorded as "nephew" on the 1871 census out of some excess of discretion.

--- edit ---

The John C Sussex that our George D Sussex (who is 20) is living with in 1881 is the John in the above 1861 census, younger brother of uncle George:

Name: John C. Sussex
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary B.
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

What's the chance that "Aupin" in 1861 is a mistranscription of Sussex, from the household schedule?

The "ss" with the long first "s" could be misread as the long "p", it's easy to misread an "x" as an "n" ...


Aupin (or even Aupen) is otherwise not a name. They are the only ones in a UK census ever, and there is not a single instance of it in the GR.

Thank you Sid.
Now thats out of the way,what is it you are after finding out?
Who Georges real parents are?

The birth cert you have gives the addess for the Aupin name on 1861 census,but there are no Aupin births and I dont think it says Aupin on the image anyway.
There are no other entries anywhere with that name.
The nearest I came was Aubin.

Great minds, Viv. ;) I'd finally got round to looking at that image.

So whaddaythink - in the handwriting of the era, Sussex could have been misread as Aupin? (Or Aupen, as it looks more like on the image -- all "i"s on the page are heavily dotted, and that e/i isn't.)

Jane "Aupen" was 29 in 1861.


Deaths Jun 1868
Sussex Jane age:36 Islington 1b 204


Pretty good match.

FMP has it as Ankin!

ANKIN, Jane Head Married F 29 1832 Laundress
Middlesex VIEW
ANKIN, George Son Unmarried M 0 (3M) 1861
Middlesex

But on the image it is more like Aupin to me now on really studying it!.
If you check out the S, on Sophia on the same page they are very different and also the Annie at the bottom has the same way of the A as on the surname for jane and George.

This could be an answer.


The Sussex household in 1841 in Chelsea:

George Sussex 30
Jane Sussex 30
William Sussex 10
> Jane Sussex 8
Mary Ann Sussex 6
Louisa Sussex 3
George Sussex 1


DOB 1833ish fits pretty well with Jane in 1861 and the death in 1868.

Was Jane a Sussex by birth, sister of uncle George and uncle John, and not by marriage at all?

Was our George's father actually the Douglas?

It would fit a known pattern -- child of unmarried parents is given surname of *father* as middle name, and later adopts that as his surname.

And made up the name Douglas as a maiden name and a ficticious father?

Those things have been done before,my Perkins/Watkins friends husbands grandmother did it 3 times on all her sons birth certs.
Just seemed to forget each time what first name she had used for the father!


So that death cert of Jane Sussex would be a good investment I think Sid!

Edit,,,ahh yes of course,,douglas is most likely the boys real fathers surname of course Janey.

Oops, I was editing above with my theory about Douglas when the clinic called to get No.1 to go play patient for the med students next week ...

I know the census image says Aupen (not Aupin, I think) -- what I'm suggesting is that that, itself, is a contemporary mistranscription -- that Jane wrote Sussex on the household schedule and it got transferred to the book as Aupen. It was her "S" and "ss" and "x" that got misread (or as it was written by whoever filled out the household schedules).

I think that's fairly reasonable, as wild theories go. ;)

Hope they dont stick No 1 too full of holes.

Where is Jane in 1851 then?

So ... here's Jane Sussex, sister of uncle George and uncle John, in 1851:

Name: Jane Sussex
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Visitor
Where born: Westminster

Civil parish: Clerkenwell

William Roe 29
Mary Roe 32
Mary Ann Roe 4
Jane Sussex 19


No help there ...

Ha, I was ahead of you, just behind in the posting.