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Emma Augusta Perry from FreeBDM married Charles Adeney in 1877 at the age of 23 in Croydon. Between 1877 and 1885 was between the time she travelled from London to Wellington New Zealand, where she then married John Westland Marshall in 1885 in NZ.

I haven't been able to find the death of Charles Adeney in NZ or UK so are unsure under which name she travelled to NZ or if she did with travel with Charles. Would really appreciate any help with Passenger Lists. Would love some help trying to trace when she travelled to NZ, was it under the name of Perry or Adeney/Andree.

I have also found she used the 'Andree' name on her marriage certificate in 1885 to John Marshall in New Zealand. FYI her parents were George Perry and Amelia Perry (nee Norris) from Croydon.

It is strange because from the time of her marriage to Charles Adeney in 1877 she had already had two children a boy in 1884 and a girl in 1883 but I have not been able to find any birth records of these two children in the UK under the family names I have mentioned, was there an earlier marriage?? and what happened to Charles Adeney.

This is a curly one, hope someone has more advanced skills than me, cause I'm off to get some panadol, its been a big researching day with little result. Many thanks K

Hi Kaye,

Have you tried passport applications on findmypast? There are 37 pages to view for Ade* surnames between 1877 and 1885.

nudge

Hi Kaye,

It might help to know more about the children born 1883/84, since children are slightly more likely to be named on passenger lists (if they travelled with her). Do you have any NZ records for those children?

Or is it that you have seen them in the UK with their grandparents?

Hi Ivy,

The children only as 1 male 6 years and one female 7 years was noted on the 1890 death certificate of Emma's NZ husband John Westland Marshall whom she had only been married to for 5 years (married in 1885, he died in 1890). Their NZ marriage cert said that John Marshall was a bachelor at the time of their marriage, so can't have been his children. Unfortunately I have no links at all to the name/s of these children.

My mother in NZ has searched birth records for their births under the names of Perry/Andree/Adeney and has found nothing. I have searched FreeBDM UK and found nothing. I am hopeful someone may be able to find Emma on a passenger list which may shed some light. Emma Adeney and Charles Adeney are not recorded on the 1881 UK Census.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983
about Emma Augusta Perry
Name: Emma Augusta Perry
Year of Registration: 1872
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Lambeth
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 535

Spouse is either Charles Knott or William Morris

For reference:

1871 England Census
about Emma A Perry
Name: Emma A Perry
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Amelia
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Croydon
Sub-registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 234
Household Members:
Name Age
Esther Butler 24
Alice B Perry 10
Amelia Perry 43
Crystal A Perry 12
Emma A Perry 16
George Perry 54
George A Perry 2

Could she have been widowed already and come to NZ on her own?

ARRIVAL OF THE WANGANUI
"From the Lyttelton Times,"
February14, 1878

Arrived - February 13, 1878, Wanganui, ship, 1136 tons, Watt, from London and Plymouth. New Zealand Shipping Co. agents. Passengers- Rev. H. Fenwick, Mr C.R. Somervail, and 300 immigrants. One and all testify to the great attention paid them and kindness shown them by Dr Marriner.

The Star Christchurch
Monday 2 July 1877 page 2

1 July "Wanganui" ship 1100 tons, Watt, from London.
N.Z. Shipping Co. Agents.

Passengers - saloon - Miss Brady, Mrs Glassford, & 3 children,
Archdeacon Thorpe, Messers A.W. Steele, O.J. Ayton, W.F. Hunt, W. Hunt,
C.A. Schmitz?, R. Wood, Thos. Robilliard, W.F. Mossman, Bray.

2nd cabin - Captain Browne, Mrs Brown & family, Mrs Adeney?
Messers G. Meyer, J. Black, L. Simmonds, M.A. King.

Thank you Ivy and Lewella, this has given me something to follow up on as I had reached a blank.

Regards Kaye

Hi Kaye,

It is curious; I can only trace the one birth registration for an Emma Augusta Perry, and yet there are the two marriages in the 1870's (the earlier one may be a widow remarrying - none of the names are sufficiently rare to track with certainty through to the 1881 census).

This may be Charles in 1881 - would the occupation fit with the marriage certificate details? [Edited - probably not - see next post]

Name: Charles Adeney
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Pancras, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 18 Munster Sq
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Public Accountant

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Regents Park
ED, institution, or vessel: 15a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Adeney 54
Edward Hodges 65
Mary Hodges 60

Apologies, no, it seems from the 1871 census that this would be the accountant's family in 1881:

Name: Emma Adeney
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife (Head) (Head)
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: St Johns Hampstead
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 14 Adelaide Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Hampstead
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel: 36

Household Members: Name Age
Arthur W. Adeney 35
Augusta J. Adeney 24
Emma Adeney 47
Emma Adeney 26

I was quite hopeful when I found an Adeney family in Croydon; but it seems that these are the children of Edward Swaine Adeney and Kate.

Might Emma Augusta's husband be the eldest son of Charles and Emma, born in 1851 in Marylebone? He is on the 1871 census at home with his parents, but with the occupation "sea apprentice". If this is her husband, I wonder whether his death would be at sea?

Hi Ivy, POST UPDATED 14 March 08

I have ordered Emma's marriage cert to Charles Adeney from GRO, which hopefully will shed more light. With Emma's earlier marriage in the Dec quarter of 1872 to either Knott or Morris, do you know how do I determine which man it is or will I have to order both marriage certificates.

The info I have ascertained so far

Emma born Croydon Surrey 1854
1st Marriage UK 1872 to either Morris or Knott
2nd Marriage UK 1877 to Charles Adeney
Poss sailed to NZ July 1877 on "Wanganui" as Mrs Adeney (no family mentioned) - don't know what happened to Charles EDIT Charles ended up in Australia and remarried.
3rd Marriage - unknown but next marriage certificate mentions her previous name as ANDREE stating she was widowed in Dec 1881 EDITED - Emma did not marry she assumed the name 'Andree' when she was still 'Adeney'. She lived with John W Marshall and had two children out of wedlock. Daisy Marshall born 1881 Dunedin NZ and John Guy Marshall born 1883. Daisy won many accomplishments from the Trinity College London for singing and piano playing through her schooling in NZ. 1903 NZ Daisy married James Nickerson from Newcastle Australia and later resided and died there. Cessnock NSW.
4th (EDIT 3rd Marriage) Marriage NZ 1885 to John Westland Marshall who died 1890,
5th (EDITH 4th Marriage) Marriage NZ 1891 to Charles Bono, they had 3 daughters Daphne Amelia Dorothy Bono, Violet Amy Bono and Alice Emma Muriel Bono.
Emma deserted and divorced Charles Bono in NZ in 1911, She had also applied to the Supreme Court to change her name and Daphne's and Violet's name back to the family name of PERRY.
EDIT 5th marriage Emma married again in 1919 to George William Minter in Wellington NZ. Emma was cremated in 1 June 1931.

I also have a feeling that 'Bono' isn't the full name, thinking this man was a emigrant from a European country...

IGI records show Emma died in Kaiori Wellington in 29 May 1931 and was buried there, but the Cementery advise me that there is no one of that name (Emma Augusta Perry).

Emma certainly had a colourful past. Any more help would truly be appreciated. Thanking you.

Kaye

Hi Kaye,

Have just read your latest post - wow! Have you established whether 5 marriages for a woman is a record?

You won't have to order certificates for both Morris and Knott - you simply provide the bride's details (as per Lewella's post above - name, year, qtr, district, vol, page) and wait for the certificate to find out which groom she married. (I tried eliminating one groom just from the 1881 census, by trying to see which groom married Eliza, but failed)

I have also checked the passport applications under Adeney for 1877, and for Adeney deaths at sea, but there were none.

Do let us know your findings - what a fascinating lady!

Bono - not sure whether it is simply a frequent mistranscription, but Ancestry has up to 48 individuals for each census with thie surname. Virtually all of them are born in the UK (one born in Malta possibly to a soldier's family and a couple of Italians). There is also Edward de Bono (writer on creative thinking) - born in Malta in 1933.

There is a Charles Bono b in London in 1863 to this family in St Martins, Ludgate, London:

Alexis P. Bono Maria abt 1826 Kentish Town, Middlesex, England Head

Amy Bono Alexis P.,
Maria abt 1862 London City, Middlesex, England Daughter

Charles Bono Alexis P.,
Maria abt 1863 London City, Middlesex, England Son

Florence Bono Alexis P.,
Maria abt 1858 London City, Middlesex, England Daughter

Frank W. Bono Alexis P.,
Maria abt 1865 London City, Middlesex, England Son

Maria Bono Alexis P. abt 1827 Westminster, Middlesex, England Wife

Percy Bono Alexis P.,
Maria abt 1868 London City, Middlesex, England Son

Hi Ivy,

You are right, Emma was quite a lady, its possible she could have married again before she died which is why I can't find her as PERRY in Kaiori Cementery in Wellington NZ.

When I find out more info I will update this thread. It will be interesting to see if the Charles Bono above is in fact the husband in NZ. NZ Past Papers gives alot of info on Emma, Bono and John Westland Marshall.

Thank you for your help, truly appreciated.

Kaye (Aust)

I have just received the marriage cert for Emma Augusta Perry and Charles Adeney. Marriage 1877 in Hampstead Middlesex. Charles was 24 in 1877 he profession was Merchant Services - can someone pls tell me what that means??? navy???. His father's name was also Charles Adeney - Accountant.

Does anyone know what happened to Charles jnr. It seems Emma (wife) may have deserted him in 1877 when she went to NZ on 'Wanganui' ship on her own.

Regards Kaye

Hi Kaye,

Ancestry UK draws a complete blank. There are essentially three Charles Adeney individuals, born abt 1791, 1827 and 1851 - grandfather, father and son - this son married Emma.

Ancestry can find:
- g-f on 1841 census, father's bapt to g-f and wife on Pallot's bapt index in 1827, g-f death in Dec 1841;
- father on 1841 and 1861 to 1891, father's marriage in 1850 and death in 1913;
- son's birth in 1851 and marriage in 1877, plus census in 1861 and 1871.

[edit: this is a link to g-f's will]
http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk
/index.php?title=Will_of_Charles_Adeney

Could a Navy expert help out?
Did he go overseas?

There is an entry on the Australian electoral rolls - locked for me (UK sub only)

- and have pm'd you re an Australian Adeney's email address.