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Hi

Just looking for help if people don't mind with a mystery I have - bit of a long one but I will try and be brief, my Great Grandad Henry Bales, born 1842 in Wymondham, Norwich and married Rebecca Maria Stevenson on 23 Jan 1863 - well I have found researched him and found the bits and pieces but there is one thing that I can't piece together on the 1861 census he is with his aunt and uncle Henry and Martha Smith and also 2 other nephews William and Henry crosskey and two nieces Elizabeth and Ada Crosskey but I can't work out who Henry and Martha are related to in Henry's family - if this makes sense

Many Thanks

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For ref.

Name: Henry Bales
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Wymondham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Smith 45
Martha Smith 45
Henry Bales 19
Fannar Crosskey 6
William Crosskey 4
Elizabeth Crosskey 3
Ada Crosskey 2

That's them Rootgatherer

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Name: Fannar Crosskey
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Nephew
Gender: Male
Where born: Adelaide, Australia

Civil parish: Newington St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: St Peter Walworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
Henry Smith 45
Martha Smith 45
Henry Bales 19
Fannar Crosskey 6 (Image is more like Forman)
William Crosskey 4 born Adelaide, Australia
Elizabeth Crosskey 3 born Birmingham, Warks
Ada Crosskey 2

All relationships are as to the HEAD of the household.......

The Crosskey children are 'On a Visit'

1881 - trying to find connections!!

Chas. CROSKY Head M Male 35 Brighton, Sussex, England Carpenter
Eliza CROSKY Wife M Female 32 Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Clara CROSKY Daur U Female 13 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Scholar
Eliza CROSKY Daur U Female 11 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Scholar
William CROSKY Son U Male 9 Richmond, Surrey, England Scholar
Sarah CROSKY Daur U Female 7 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Scholar
Charles CROSKY Son U Male 6 Wandsworth, Surrey, England Scholar
Arthur CROSKY Son U Male 4 Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Alfred CROSKY Son U Male 2 Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Florence CROSKY Daur U Female 2 m Wandsworth, Surrey, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 46 Iron Mill Rd
Census Place Wandsworth, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341153
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0660 / 71
Page Number 15

1881

George EVANS Head M Male 31 Sardon, Stafford, England Draper
Jane E. EVANS Wife M Female 24 Madeley, Shropshire, England
George L. EVANS Son Male 3 m Kemberton, Shropshire, England
Arthur R. DAVIES Boarder U Male 22 Llandysil, Montgomery, Wales Stationers Assistant
Ann REECE Serv U Female 27 Gen Serv
William CROSSKEY Lodger U Male 24 Adelaide, Australia Solicitor
William G. BRADSHAW OR BRADHAM Lodger U Male 19 Vowchurch, Hereford, England Bankers Clerk


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Source Information:
Dwelling West Side Of Market Square
Census Place Wellington, Shropshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341642
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2678 / 94
Page Number 6

Hi Flick

Fannar is actually Henry Femor Crosskey born November 1854 in Adelaide, Australia - I have looked a bit into the Crosskey part but didn't want to go to far, but cldn't find the connection

Did find that Rowland Crosskey married Margaret Barnard in 1854 Newington

xx

You need to find out the names of Henry's parents..........no other way to try to make links with the Smiths

Hi Eveyone

Don't want to confuse it but when I have looked on the census when Henry Bales was living with Aunt and Uncle, Martha and Henry Smith I also found apart from the Crosskey's on another census they had nephews living with them in 1871 - Surname Barnard and Halford.

Henry Smith is also the witness on Henry Bales and another of the Bales marriage cert

xxx

here's a Crosskey marrying a Smith


WILLIAM CROSSKEY Pedigree
Male Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: MARIA SMITH Family
Marriage: 12 JAN 1825 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England

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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.

1851 seems to answer your question

Name: Henry Bales
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wymondham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Wymondham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England



Registration district: Forehoe
Sub-registration district: Costessey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 124
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Bales 40
Emma Bales 14
Henry Bales 9
Alice Smith 75 MOTHER

Hi

Henry's parents are George Bales (born approx 1811 Wymondham, Norfolk and is a Boot/Shoe Maker) and his mum is Mary - also born approx 1811 in Wymondham but do not know her maiden name - I had a theory that her maiden name may be Smith

xx

Possible clue 1851

Alice Smith is mother of Mary, so could also be Henrys mother?

1851 England Census
about Henry Bales
Name: Henry Bales
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wymondham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Wymondham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Forehoe
Sub-registration district: Costessey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 124
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Bales 40
Emma Bales 14
Henry Bales 9
Alice Smith 75

Andy

1851

Name: Henry Bales
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Wymondham, Norfolk, England

Civil parish: Wymondham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Forehoe
Sub-registration district: Costessey
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 124
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Bales 40
Emma Bales 14
Henry Bales 9
Alice Smith 75 Mother

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1817; Folio: 420; Page: 28; GSU roll: 207470


At first glance, it looks like Henry's mother Mary and his Uncle Henry are brother and sister?

Hi Everyone

Many thanks for you all looking for me - this has been puzzling me for a while

xx

County Norfolk
Place Wymondham
Church Virgin Mary and St Thomas a Beckett
RegisterNumber 763
MarriageDate 05 Nov 1830
GroomForename George
GroomSurname BALES
GroomAge
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation
GroomAbode
BrideForename Mary
BrideSurname SMITH
BrideAge
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode
GroomFatherForename
GroomFatherSurname
GroomFatherOccupation
BrideFatherForename
BrideFatherSurname
BrideFatherOccupation
WitnessOneForename William
WitnessOneSurname BUNN
WitnessTwoForename Harriet
WitnessTwoSurname TIBBS
Notes
FileNumber 11803

Wow thanks MilliemollyAmanda, where did you find that?

thank you - that gives a link

xx

County Norfolk
Place Wymondham
Church Virgin Mary Amd St Thomas a Becket
RegisterNumber

Hi Middy,
They are on Free Reg .


DateOfBirth 14 Feb 1842
BaptismDate 13 Mar 1842
Forename Henry
Sex M
FatherForename George
MotherForename Mary
FatherSurname BALES
MotherSurname
Abode Damgate
FatherOccupation Shoe Maker
Notes
FileNumber 5511

Hi

I didn't know about that website that could come in very handy, thanks for looking for me - it is appreciated.

xx

Middy , there's also Norfolk Parish Registers on Family Search.org.
You have to trawl through each page though ,you carn't just put in a name ,but its worth looking at i've found lots on there .