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trying to find more about my great grandmother alice may smith nee townsend born 1883 father charles but i know no more appart from she married sam smith birmingham 1902. zena

Have you tried looking for her birth? It will be on freebmd

Presumably, the father's name is from the marriage cert? What was his occupation?

This would be her birth, I imagine

Births Jun 1882 (>99%)
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Townsend Alice May Birmingham 6d 47


Although, there isn't an Alice Townsend matching the birth with a father Charles on 1891 census

Hi there is this one but not with father charles
1901 census

Address 27 Spring St
Civil Parish Birmingham
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish St Asaph
Parliamentary Borough or Division Edgbaston
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Birmingham
Administrative County Birmingham
Householder 1
Name Alice M Townsend
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 19
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Printers Clerk
Employment Status
Where Born Birmm
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Charles Townsend
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 17
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Upholstrer
Employment Status
Where Born Birmm
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Emily Townsend
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 61
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Birmm
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Henry Townsend
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 56
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Ciachman Nol Domestic
Employment Status
Where Born Kenilworth
Language
Infirmity


do you know where she was born

1901 census

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation
Disability Where Born Original
census
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FLETCHER, James Head Married M 39 1862 Beer House Keeper & Burnisher
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FLETCHER, Martha Wife Married F 38 1863 Pen Worker
Birmingham
FLETCHER, Ellen Daughter Single F 17 1884 Lacquerer
Birmingham
FLETCHER, James Son Single M 15 1886
Birmingham
FLETCHER, Charles Son Single M 13 1888 Errand Boy
Birmingham
FLETCHER, Martha Daughter F 11 1890
Birmingham
FLETCHER, William Son M 6 1895
Birmingham
FLETCHER, Lilly Daughter F 0 (4 MOS) 1901
Birmingham
TOWNSEND, Alice Boarder F 18 1883 Press Worker
Birmingham

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RG number:
RG13 Piece:
2842 Folio:
84 Page:
34

Registration District:
Birmingham Sub District:
St George EnumerationDistrict:
28 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Stephen

Civil Parish:
Birmingham Municipal Borough:
Address:
179, Farm Street, Birmingham County:
Warwickshire

Found three Alice Townsends on Birmingham 1891 census but none with father Charles.

Hi Zena,

Who were the witnesses at her marriage.

Chris

The 1911 census will be the best place to start to see where she was born

1911 census gives Birmingham Warwickshire as place of birth.

Chris

PM from Zena

Witnesses at the marriage of Alice and Sam were Leonard Fleeney and Polly Smith.

It is much better Zena if you add answers directly on here for everyone to see instead of replying personally to the one asking the question.

Chris

You haven't answered the question about Charles's occupation....................................

And please respond on here, by clicking on purple REPLY button just under the title of the thread.........

Hi Zena,

Struggling to find a Charles Townsend in the census in the right area.

On Familysearch.org I have found a baptism for an Albert Townsend 8/4/1889 in Birmingham, parents Charles and Emma Townsend, possible sibling to Alice ?????? This is an extracted record which I found when clicking on the batch number for an Alice Townshend also Birmingham (1885) but her father was Edward.

Chris

sorry cant get my head round the way this works thought id answered her fathers occ was i think cabinet maker its not very easy to read. the witnesses at the wedding were polly smith and leonard fleeney have found her on 1911 census with sam but cant find her with a charles anywhere zena

What was Alice's address on her marriage cert?

?1881 - based only on occupation

Name: Charles Townsend
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Barford, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address: 34 Graham St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Carpenters Joiner

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: Lady Wood
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Townsend 30
Emma Townsend 23
Thomas C. Townsend 1
Amelia Perkins 20

thanks have checked this charles through the censuses it carnt be her parents they havd 4 kids but only 1 survived thomas, thanks again ill keep looking zena

freewheel her address ont the marriage cert was 29 ingleby street and shes going by just may now and shes a polisher. thought id answered you again earlier think iv got it now (blonde day) zena

This shows that address was occupied in 1901 - but one needs to purchase credits to view the details, and there is no way of knowing whether she was at that address when the 1901 census was taken. She may have used the address in order to get married in a church of her choice, or to save having two lots of Banns read.

Address Occ Administrative
County Civil
Parish Ecclesiastical
Parish Parliamentary
Borough Rural
District Municipal
Borough Municipal
Ward
29 Ingleby St Y Birmingham Bham S Marks Edgbaston Bham Rotton Park

This one, in a different area of Birmingham, is a Brass Worker

Name: Alice Townsend
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 28
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 200
Household Members: Name Age
James Fletcher 39
Martha Fletcher 38
Ellen Fletcher 17
James Fletcher 15
Charles Fletcher 13
Martha Fletcher 11
William Fletcher 6
Lilly Fletcher 4 months
Alice Townsend 18

That one was found earlier by Pam