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Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,377 Send Message	Maddie	Report	26 Apr 2021 13:02
	if g daughter kandra born 1950 lovely photograph on ancestry
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24,939 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	26 Apr 2021 00:19
	Cornelia Perry married Jeanette/Janetta's brother William Maloy Sullivan in 1928. Marriage record posted above by Maddie. BUT- repeating William Maloy's death record posted by Maddie -: William M Sullivan in the Indiana, U.S., Death Certificates, 1899-2011 Name: William M Sullivan Gender: Male Race: C Age: 39 Marital status: Married Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909 Birth Place: Jeffersonville, Ind Death Date: 9 Jan 1949 Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Father: Joe Sullivan Mother: Mattie Sullivan Spouse: Anna Sullivan <<<<<<<< aged 38 Don't know if Cornelia was known as Anna, or if Anna is a second wife, or a mistake by the registrar. I don't see any definite record of Cornelia later than 1940. She was born in Alabama, per censuses and Norma Jean's birth record. So possibly this is her death??? Cornelia Sullivan in the Indiana, U.S., Death Certificates, 1899-2011 Name: Cornelia Sullivan [Cornelia Allen] Gender: Female Race: Black Age: 83 Marital status: Widow Birth Date: 3 Apr 1910 Birth Place: Lafayette, AL Death Date: 11 Apr 1993 Death Place: Indpls, Marion, Indiana, USA Father: Thomas Allen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Mother: Mary Allen <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< nee Trammel Informant: grand-daughter Kandra Sullivan ??? Cornelius Perry in the 1920 United States Federal Census Name: Cornelius Perry Age: 9 Birth Year: abt 1911 Birthplace: Alabama Home in 1920: Indianapolis Ward 3, Marion, Indiana Street: 14th Street Residence Date: 1920 Race: Black Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Daughter Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Alonzo Perry Father's Birthplace: Alabama Mother's Name: Mary Perry Mother's Birthplace: Alabama Attended School: yes Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Alonzo Perry 35 Head Mary Perry 34 Wife Cornelius Perry 9 Daughter Cornelia Sullivan in the 1930 United States Federal Census Name: Cornelia Sullivan [Cornelia Perry] Birth Year: abt 1910 Gender: Female Race: Negro (Black) [Black] Age in 1930: 20 Birthplace: Alabama Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Daughter Homemaker?: Yes Home in 1930: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Map of Home: Street Address: North Fayette Street Ward of City: 6th Block: 37 House Number: 706 Dwelling Number: 91 Family Number: 114 Age at First Marriage: 18 Attended School: No Able to Read and Write: Yes Father's Birthplace: Alabama Mother's Birthplace: Alabama Able to Speak English: Yes Household Members Age Relationship Mary Perry 42 Head Cornelia Sullivan 20 Daughter , married (and several lodgers) Her mother's second marriaage: Alonzo Perry in the Alabama, U.S., Select Marriage Indexes, 1816-1942 Name: Alonzo Perry Gender: Male Race: Black Marriage Date: 7 Nov 1915 Marriage Place: Chambers, Alabama Spouse: Mary Trammell FHL Film Number: 1290843 Reference ID: 443
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: January 2017 Posts: 47 Send Message	P	Report	25 Apr 2021 22:08
Member Since: January 2017 Posts: 47 Send Message	Thank you. It is all very confusing! I've been looking into this every few days to make sense of it! I've seen Cornelia Perry on here somewhere who married William I think? But does it say anywhere at all that Cornelia also married a Robert Dunn?
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24,939 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	5 Apr 2021 21:11
	Suliden Gerutta is just a very bad mistrancription of Genetta Sullivan - which is itself a mis-spelling of Janetta or Janette. On the original document William Graham's name, and that of his wife, is wriitten with the first name second, and the surname first - Graham, William.. The children's names, however, are written with the surname second, but the transcriber has assumed they've been written the same way as the parents, and has therefore ended up with Sullivan Genetta. To be fair, the handwriting isn't easy to decipher, and I had the advantage of knowing what the names should be. Genetta/Janette and William L are, as it says, the grandchildren of William Graham and his wife. William Graham and wife are the parents of Mattie Graham who is Janette/Jeanette's mother.
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: January 2017 Posts: 47 Send Message	P	Report	5 Apr 2021 18:47
Member Since: January 2017 Posts: 47 Send Message	Rose - thank you for the Obituary, I have no idea if this could be the Betty I am looking for, but I have contacted the people who arranged the funeral to see if it could be a match, just incase. Mistycat & ArgyllGran - Thank you, I have never found a marriage for Betty! Does it give you any indication if they had children? I'm presuming the Janette is the "Jeanette Payne", which is Bettys mother. Jeanette had some very interesting stories. The whole link to this search is because Jeanette was married to Robert Dunn (our blood relation), and she shot him dead. We don't know anyone alive who could give us information so our next best thing is hopefully Jeanettes children, if any are still living. Who is Suliden Gerutta? I'm sorry, I don't understand some of the matches and how the Sullivans are in relation to the others. I think I need to get my full tree up so it makes sense to me! :( :) I can't believe Napoleon didn't marry or have children!! I do wonder what life he had.. I wanted to try and find photographs for them all but I guess the family tree for Napoleon doesn't go much further. Thank you so much to everyone for the help sofar.
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,377 Send Message	Maddie	Report	5 Apr 2021 15:47
	Name: William M. Sullivan Jr. Gender: Male Death Age: 48 Birth Date: abt 1930 Residence Place: 1515 West 23rd Street Death Date: Abt 1978 Obituary Date: 15 Apr 1978 Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America Mother: Cornelia Sullivan Spouse: Priscilla Sullivan Child: Glenn A. Sullivan Kathleen Eastman Candy Anderson Name: Norma Jean Sullivan [Norma Sullivan Hoggatt] [Norma Hoggatt] Gender: Female Race: Black Birth Date: 21 Aug 1930 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Indiana [Indpls Mario??, Indiana] Death Date: Oct 1978 Father: William M Sullivan Mother: Cornelia Perry SSN: 309265104 Notes: Jun 1943: Name listed as NORMA JEAN SULLIVAN; Jun 1956: Name listed as NORMA SULLIVAN HOGGATT; Sep 1963: Name listed as NORMA JEAN HOGGATT; 18 Dec 1987: Name listed as NORMA HOGGATT Name: Norma Jean Sullivan Gender: Female Birth Date: 21 Aug 1930 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Registration Year: 1930 Father: William Sullivan Mother: Cornelia Perry Certificate Number: 38382 Roll Number: 016 Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health Name: Norma Jean Sullivan Hoggatt Gender: Female Death Age: 48 Birth Date: abt 1930 Residence Place: 1515 West 23 d Street Death Date: Abt 1978 Obituary Date: 24 Oct 1978 Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America Mother: Cornelia McCombs Spouse: Orville Hoggatt Name: Corneila Perry Gender: Female Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1928 Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana, USA Spouse: William Sullivan 1940 Name: Norma Jean Sullivan Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1931 Gender: Female Race: Negro (Black) Birthplace: Indiana Marital Status: Single Relation to Head of House: Daughter Home in 1940: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana Map of Home in 1940: Street: Indiana Avenue House Number: 923 Inferred Residence in 1935: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana Residence in 1935: Indianapolis Sheet Number: 1A Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 3rd grade Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Cornelia Sullivan 29 Head William Sullivan 10 Son Norma Jean Sullivan 9 Daughter Mary Perry ---------------------- 52 Mother Eddie Turner 24 Lodger James Stoner 23 Lodger James Broaden 46 Lodger Name: Mary Perry Gender: Female Death Age: 65 Birth Date: abt 1887 Residence Place: La fayette, Ala. Death Date: Abt 1952 Death Place: 979 West 26th Street Obituary Date: 15 Mar 1952 Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America Child: Cornelia Sullivan Siblings: Carrie Overton Mamie Taylor Irene Mathews Tholma McDonald
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,377 Send Message	Maddie	Report	5 Apr 2021 15:15
	Name: Betty Jean Payne Gender: Female Birth Date: 26 Oct 1930 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Registration Year: 1930 Father: Gerald Payne Mother: Jeanette Sullivan Certificate Number: 48211 Roll Number: 020 Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health Volume Range: 96 - 100 Indiana, U.S., Death Certificates, 1899-2011 Name: Jeanette Payne [Jeanette Sullivan] Gender: Female Race: Black Age: 83 Marital status: Widowed Birth Date: 5 Sep 1906 Birth Place: Saloma, Kentucky Death Date: 31 May 1990 Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Father: Joseph Sullivan Mother: Mattie Sullivan 1910 Name: Mattie Sullivan Age in 1910: 23 Birth Year: abt 1887 Birthplace: Kentucky Home in 1910: Louisville Ward 10, Jefferson, Kentucky Street: Chestnut Street Race: Black Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Joseph Sullivan Father's Birthplace: Kentucky Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky Native Tongue: English Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Years Married: 5 Number of Children Born: 2 Number of Children Living: 2 Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Joseph Sullivan 25 Head Mattie Sullivan 23 Wife Janetta Sullivan 3 Daughter Melor Sullivan ------william melor 26 Son George Hazelwood 26 Boarder Name: William M Sullivan ---- jeanetta's brother Gender: Male Race: C Age: 39 Marital status: Married Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909 Birth Place: Jeffersonville, Ind Death Date: 9 Jan 1949 Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Father: Joe Sullivan Mother: Mattie Sullivan Spouse: Anna Sullivan Name: William Maloy Sullivan Gender: Male Race: Negro (Black) Age: 31 Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head) Birth Date: 15 Aug 1909 Birth Place: Watson, Indiana Residence Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Registration Date: 16 Oct 1940 Registration Place: Indiana, USA Employer: National Malber Casting Co Weight: 130 Complexion: Light Eye Colour: Brown Hair Colour: Brown Height: 5 5 Next of Kin: Mattie Alexander Household Members: Name Relationship William Maloy Sullivan Self (Head) Mattie Alexander Mother 1940 Name: Maloy Sullivan Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 Gender: Male Race: Negro (Black) Birthplace: Indiana Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana Map of Home in 1940: Street: Edgemont House Number: 978 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana Residence in 1935: Indianapolis Sheet Number: 6A Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 173 Occupation: Molder House Owned or Rented: Rented Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 12 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: High School, 1st year Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 52 Income: 1001 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Maloy Sullivan 30 Head Cornelius Sullivan 29 Wife William Sullivan 10 Son Norma Jean Sullivan 8 Daughter Lillian Harvey 30 Lodger Name: William Maloy Sullivan Jr Gender: Male Race: Negro (Black) Age: 48 Marital status: Married Birth Date: 22 May 1929 Birth Place: Indiana Death Date: 13 Apr 1978 Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Father: William Maloy Sullivan Mother: Cornelia Sullivan Spouse: Priscilla Dean Sullivan Name: Priscilla Dean Johnson Sullivan Gender: Female Death Age: 61 Birth Date: abt 1931 Residence Place: Indianapolis Death Date: Abt 1992 Obituary Date: 9 Oct 1992 Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America Spouse: William Sullivan Child: Keith Sarden Glenn Sarden Ralph Johnson Gerald Allen Noreen Willis Helene Strong Name: Glenn A Sarden [Glenn Sarden] Residence Date: 1986 Address: 114 S Denny St Residence: Indianapolis, IN Postal Code: 46201-4410 Second Residence Date: 1995 Second Address: 907 N Penn Second Residence: Second Postal Code: 46280 Name: Noreen Willis Birth Date: 10 Jan 1954 Residence Date: 1992 Address: 4420 Roxie Dr Residence: Indianapolis, IN Postal Code: 46235-1047 Second Residence Date: 1990 Second Address: 4444 Roxie Dr Second Residence: Second Postal Code: 46235-5025 Name: Helene L. Strong Death Age: 53 Birth Date: abt 1957 Residence Place: Indianapolis Death Date: 13 Jan 2010 Obituary Date: 17 Jan 2010
Member Since: December 2003 Posts: 1,114 Send Message	Mistycat	Report	5 Apr 2021 12:29
	How very interesting ArgyllGran, lots of information on the death for Janette, also ties Napoleon M up nicely, I guess he devoted his life to his religion...... I have Ancestry world wide but apparently required another sub to view details!!
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24,939 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	5 Apr 2021 10:29
	Suliden Gerutta in the 1920 United States Federal Census Name: Suliden Gerutta [Lutidan Gerntta] [Sulivan Gerretts] [] Age: 11 Birth Year: abt 1909 Birthplace: Kentucky Home in 1920: Saloma, Taylor, Kentucky Residence Date: 1920 Race: Black Gender: Male [Female] Relation to Head of House: Granddaughter Marital Status: Single Father's Birthplace: Kentucky Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky Able to Speak English: Yes Attended School: yes Able to read: Yes Able to Write: Yes Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship William Graham 60 Head Saliza Graham 53 Wife Suliden Gerutta 11 Granddaughter [ Genetta Sullivan on image ] William L Gerutta 9 Grandson [ William L on image - no surname ] Mc Graham Gerutta 21 Boarder [ M (Mc ? Mr ? ) Graham on image]
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24,939 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	5 Apr 2021 10:22
	Jeanette Payne in the Web: Marion County, Indiana, U.S., Marriage Index, 1925-2012 Name: Jeanette Payne Gender: Female Marriage Date: 20 Jun 1947 Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana, USA Spouse: Robert Dunn Janetta Sullivan in the 1910 United States Federal Census Name: Janetta Sullivan [Jenetta Sullivan] Age in 1910: 3 Birth Year: abt 1907 Birthplace: Kentucky Home in 1910: Louisville Ward 10, Jefferson, Kentucky Street: Chestnut Street Race: Black Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Daughter Marital Status: Single Father's Name: Joseph Sullivan Father's Birthplace: Kentucky Mother's Name: Mattie Sullivan Mother's Birthplace: Kentucky Native Tongue: English Number of Children Born: 0 Number of Children Living: 0 Neighbors: Household Members Age Relationship Joseph Sullivan 25 Head Mattie Sullivan 23 Wife Janetta Sullivan 3 Daughter Melor Sullivan 26 Son George Hazelwood 26 Boarder
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 24,939 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	5 Apr 2021 10:16
	Re the 1990 death of Jeanette Payne, born 1906, posted by Mistycat: Died 1.50pm on 31 May 1990 at Methodist Hospital, Indianapolis. Cause of death: Large cerebral infarction, caused by atherosclerotic vascular disease. Widow, waitress at a general hospital. Born 5 Sept 1906 in Saloma, Kentucky. Parents: Joseph Sullivan and Mattie Graham. Informant: son - Rev Napoleon M Payne Burial: Floral Park Cemetery,Indianapolis
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: May 2006 Posts: 16,802 Send Message	Click ADD REPLY button - not this link!	Report	5 Apr 2021 02:37
	Could this be her? Birth is off by 2 years. https://www.bluittandson.com/obituary/betty-payne Rose
	Researching: I am not related to you and I'm not your husband's first wife!
Member Since: December 2003 Posts: 1,114 Send Message	Mistycat	Report	5 Apr 2021 00:13
	WW2 draft card Name: Napoleon Morton Payne Gender: Male Race: Black Age: 18 Relationship to Draftee: Self (Head) Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Indiana Residence Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Registration Date: 15 Dec 1942 Registration Place: Indiana, USA Employer: Unemployed Weight: 135 Complexion: Light Brown Eye Colour: Brown Hair Colour: Brown Height: 5 9 Next of Kin: Jeannette Payne Household Members: Name Relationship Napoleon Morton Payne Self (Head) Death Name: Napoleon Payne Gender: Male Race: Black Age: 80 Marital status: Never Married (Single) Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924 Birth Place: Indianapolis Indiana Death Date: 12 Aug 2004 Death Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Father: Gearld T Payes Mother: Jeanetta Payes Birth Name: Napoleon Payne Gender: Male Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Registration Year: 1924 Father: Gerald Payne Mother: Jeanette Sulivan Certificate Number: 38542 Roll Number: 016 Agency: Indiana State Board of Health Volume Range: 76 - 80
Member Since: December 2003 Posts: 1,114 Send Message	Mistycat	Report	4 Apr 2021 23:39
	Hi P I can’t spot a death entry or obituary notice for Betty Jean Payne or with a married name of Nelson Betty’s birth Name: Betty Jean Payne Gender: Female Birth Date: 26 Oct 1930 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana, USA Registration Year: 1930 Father: Gerald Payne Mother: Jeanette Sullivan Certificate Number: 48211 Roll Number: 020 Agency: Indiana State Dept. of Health Volume Range: 96 - 100 ?? Marriage...on the original record of marriage it states Betty divorced and Hobart widowed Name: Betty J Payne Gender: Female Age: 40 Birth Date: abt 1932 Birth Place: Indianapolis, Indiana Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1972 Marriage Place: N. Ill St, Marion, Indiana, USA Spouse: Hobart E Nelson Application for social security claim Name: Napoleon Morton Payne [Napoleon M Payne] Gender: Male Race: Black Birth Date: 19 Jul 1924 Birth Place: Indianapls M, Indiana [Indianapolis, Indiana] Death Date: 12 Aug 2004 Father: Gerald T Payne Mother: Jeanette Sullivan SSN: 317187923 Signature on SSN Card: Napoleon Morton Payne Relationship of Signature: Signature name differs from NH’s name. Notes: Aug 1941: Name listed as NAPOLEON MORTON PAYNE; 01 Sep 2004: Name listed as NAPOLEON M PAYNE Obituary Index.....sorry I can’t actually see the obituary as I don’t have a subscription!! Name: Jeanette Payne Payne Gender: Female Death Age: 84 Birth Date: abt 1906 Residence Place: Indianapolis Death Date: Abt 1990 Obituary Date: 4 Jun 1990 Obituary Place: Indianapolis, Indiana, United States of America Spouse: Robert George Dunn Child: Napoleon M. Payne Betty J. Payne
Member Since: January 2017 Posts: 47 Send Message	P	Report	4 Apr 2021 22:14
Member Since: January 2017 Posts: 47 Send Message	Hello, I'm not sure if anyone would be able to help with the person being from the USA. But we have a family member (passed away now), who would have been connected with Jeanette Sullivan, then married to a Gerald Payne and they had a daughter called Betty Payne. Betty was born in 26th Oct 1930, I think her middle name was Jean. They did also have a son called Napoleon M Payne but he is already passed away. I can't find anything for Betty so i'm presuming she could still be alive? I'm really hoping to get some help, if Betty is still alive or if theres any relatives/spouse/children that Betty has or had?! Or even anything on Napoleon (he's passed away though so i probably need to ask about him on the other community column) I appreciate any help. Alot of relatives have passed away now and i'm hoping to find a living relative, I have so many questions! :-)

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