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This sounds like a Grade 12 exam question

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RockyMountainShy

RockyMountainShy Report 13 Sep 2015 00:06

If Richard Hutchins is a son-in-law and Eliza Clapp is a dau-in-law, what relation are they to Edward & Sarah Perry?

Unfortunately there is no multiple choice answers :-(

Researching:
Oxfordshire, Devon, Somerset, Gloucestershire etc.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Sep 2015 00:10

Are they step-son and step-daughter to the couple? Is this from a census record?

EDIT - after looking at the census images I would say that Hannah is their daughter and she is married to Richard Hutchins.

Eliza Clapp is Sarah's daughter so therefore Edward's step-daughter.

This is Edward and Sarah's marriage:-

First name(s) EDWARD
Last name PERRY
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1845
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ EDWARD PERRY married one of these people
***SARAH CLAPP***, ELIZABETH TOLMAN, ANN EDWARDS
District HONITON
District number -
County Devon
Country England
Volume 10
Page 193


Kath. x

+++DetEcTive+++

+++DetEcTive+++ Report 13 Sep 2015 00:13

Son-in-law and daughter-in-law?

Richard Hutchins m Edward & Sarah Perry's daughter.
Clapp is Eliza's maiden name - she married Edward & Sarah Perry's son.

An alternative, if you are looking at a census image, is that they could be step-children. Sarah may have been married before and at least one (possibly both) are her children from her previous marriage. The same could also apply to Edward, if he's responsible for a previous wife's children.

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maggiewinchester

maggiewinchester Report 13 Sep 2015 00:19

My brain hurts.

Researching:
Gg gran Amelia - Suffolk side

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 00:35

is this the census, from ancestry

1861 Census

Name: Richard Hutchins
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: 1836
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's Name: Hannah Hutchins
Gender: Male
Where born: Honiton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Honiton
Town: Honiton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Honiton
Sub-registration district: Honiton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 108
Piece: 1376
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21

Edward Perry 67
Sarah Perry 50
Richard Hutchins 25 Married
Hannah Hutchins 24 Daughter
Eliza Clapp 21 Unmarried, Daughter-in-law
Elizabeth Perry 9
Richard J Hutchins 6
Mary A Hutchins 3
Joshua Hutchins 1



I take that to mean that Richard is a Son-in-law by virtue of marrying Hannah

BUT Eliza is a stepdaughter, with Daughter-in-law being used in the old sense.

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

JoonieCloonie

JoonieCloonie Report 13 Sep 2015 00:42

Kathleen and Sylvia have it - daughter-in-law meant 'stepdaughter' at the time

So Richard Hutchins is a proper son-in-law the way we use that term

and Eliza Clapp is Sarah Perry's child from a first marriage (or before marriage) i.e. stepdaughter of the head of household

both are 'children by marriage', just by different routes :-)


but RMS, you do need to point us to what you're looking at with a question like that, i.e. give the census record!

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You remember me. :)

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 00:52

1841 Census

Name: Eliza Clapp
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Female
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Honiton
Hundred: Axminster
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Honiton
Sub-registration district: Honiton

Piece: 200
Book: 19
Folio: 11
Page Number: 17

John Clapp 25 b.ca 1816, Devon, Fish Monger
Sarah Clapp 25 b.ca 1816, Devon
Emma Clapp 5
Eliza Clapp 1

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 01:00

???????????

England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name: John Clapp
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1835
Marriage Place: Honiton On Otter,Devon,England
Spouse: Sarah Tremlett
FHL Film Number: 917148


no image

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 13 Sep 2015 01:01

This could be Sarah's first marriage:-

First name(s) John
Last name Clapp
Marriage year 1835
Marriage date 05 Jul 1835
Parish Honiton
Place Honiton
Spouse's first name(s) Sarah
Spouse's last name Tremlett
Denomination Anglican
County Devon
Archive South West Heritage Trust
Record set Devon Marriages

Kath. x

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 01:06

snap, Kath :-D

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 01:22

and Hannah is Edward's daughter by his first marriage .......

I think he was married to a Judith


England Marriages, 1538–1973

Name Edward Perry
Spouse's Name Judith Ross
Event Date 09 Jul 1826
Event Place Honiton On Otter,Devon,England


1841 Census

Name: Edward Perry
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Honiton
Hundred: Axminster
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Honiton
Sub-registration district: Honiton

Piece: 200
Book: 23
Folio: 15
Page Number: 25

Edward Perry 45 Carpenter
Judith Perry 45
Henry Perry 15
Emanuel Perry 12
Charles Perry 9
John Perry 6
George Perry 3


1851 Census

Name: Edward Perry
Age: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Perry
Gender: Male
Where born: Farway, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Honiton
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Honiton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Registration district: Honiton
Sub-registration district: Honiton
ED, institution, or vessel: 9b

Household schedule number: 136
Piece: 1863
Folio: 163
Page Number: 37

Edward Perry 57 Carpenter
Sarah Perry 40
Charles Perry 19
John Perry 14
Emma Clapp 14
Eliza Elizabeth Clapp 10
Caroline Perry 3
Mary Croot 40 Lodger
Aaron Connett 28 Lodger


In 1861, Edward had been blind for 8 years


the problem is, I cannot find a Hannah Perry

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 01:36

????????????????

I have found a marriage for a Richard Hutchins to an Emma Clapp ..........

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)

CLAPP Emma Honiton 5b 65
Hutchins Richard John Honiton 5b 65


Sarah and John Clapp had a daughter Emma


Having failed to find a Hannah Perry or Hannah Clapp ........ is it possible that "Hannah" on the 1861 Census is really "Emma"?????????????

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 01:47

proof of my theory above???????????

Richard was a Basket Maker on the 1861 Census


1881 Census

Name: Richard Hutchings
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Emma Hutchings
Gender: Male
Where born: Honiton, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Exeter St David
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 4 Exe St
Marital Status: Married

Occupation: Basket Maker
Registration district: Exeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 4

Piece: 2153
Folio: 81
Page Number: 9

Richard Hutchings 46
Emma Hutchings 45 b.ca 1836, Honiton
Harry Hutchings 13
William Hutchings 9
Walter Hutchings 6
Ellen Hutchings 3


1911 Census

Name: Emma Hutchings
Age in 1911: 75
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Honiton, Devon
Civil Parish: Exeter
Search Photos: Search for 'Exeter' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: 4 Hursts Cottages, Alms House, Belgrave Road, Exeter
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 55
Estimated Marriage Year: 1856
Registration district: Exeter
Registration District Number: 271
Sub-registration district: Exeter
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 12674

Richard Hutchings 76 Retired basket Maker
Emma Hutchings 75
Ellen Hutchings 33

Married 55 years, 11 children, 9 still living




In which case, Emma was Stepdaughter to Edward, as she was the daughter of Sarah by her first husband

and Richard was Son-in-law by virtue of marrying into the family

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

RockyMountainShy

RockyMountainShy Report 13 Sep 2015 03:31

Ok now my head hurts :-D

give census record. Okey dokey ;-) (if I remember)

Note to self : never ask a simple question to these people because they go insane and lookup things that make my head spin <3

Researching:
Oxfordshire, Devon, Somerset, Gloucestershire etc.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 13 Sep 2015 04:24

:-D :-D :-D

Researching:
My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.