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Please stop squabbling about it.
The poor child is dead. The mother blames herself. The driver will never forgive himself even though there was nothing he could do.
It was a tragic accident due to unforeseen circumstances.
That´s exactly what accidents are.

I don't know how that poor mother will cope, knowing she left the buggy unattended even if only for a few seconds will haunt her for the rest of her life.

I feel sorry for the driver too, it's not something you expect and if you are concentrating on driving conditions and happen to be looking to your left for example and this buggy and child are blown to your right it would be a delayed reaction when it came into your view, to stop.

Rest in peace, little one and also the poor girl killed by the dogs, again someone in the wrong place at the wrong time, her friend popped out leaving the girl with the dogs and for some reason they attacked her, whether before or after she fell to the floor. We take safety for granted sometimes, and tragic accidents happen.


Lizx

Roy, you know it is nothing to do with that at all.

Nobody really cares whether somebody was driving an artic that weighed four tons or four hundred so please don't try to turn it back on me.

Sharron, I too think its a tragic accident but if you don't want other comments then don't add more info than is required or speculation to your post, eg This is so sad and the van driver has been arrested for causing death by dangerous driving, He was not arrested for "causing death by dangerous driving" he was arrested on "suspicion" and "But wind comes in sudden gusts,it can blow over high lorries without warning". Which is simply not the case, you get gusts of wind on a windy day nothing sudden about it

Point scoring? Not from my point of view,

when something is posted and i have anything to say/add to that post then i will say it, if you want to take that as point scoring then thats up to you but i try to add by way of debate on the content posted, I was not aware that points where awarded

Roy

I will pull it if there is any more.

I agree Sharron. It's not a subject to pick argument's over, and why do these threads always resort to mindless point scoring?

i too think its atragic accident, and no one should be charged

The day the little boy was blown in front of me one of my colleaguea was sitting in a queue of stationary traffic when both the vehicle in front and the one behind were blown over by a freak gust.

Please stop squabbling over detail.I don't like to read it and I doubt anybody else does.

Even the Grandmother has said it was just a tragic accident as the Mother was blaming herself. I feel so sorry for all concerned, just a few seconds is all it took. And that will live with that driver always too.

an unbelievably tragic accident - remember not long back a child in a buggy was blown into a harbour somewhere in the UK - the harbour master cycled to the spot and jumped in to save the little boy in the pushchair

Merlin, Ive just checked up and i stand corrected on the 40 ton artic but you said you drove a Ford Transcontinentalwith a 16 gear spit shift box,Plus a tri axle unit coupled with a tri axle trailer, so you had 6 axles, Was your suspension springs rather than air?
which is possible why it would be restricted to 40ton
The maximum weight was set by suspension type, number of axles and engine braking ability and the rating of the 5th wheel, The number of gears was not part of it, when the weight went from 38 ton it went up to 41 ton on 5 or more axles and then when 44 ton came in it was set at 6 axles So If i read your post correctly then the maximum weight for a Ford Transcontinental with a 3 axle unit and a 3 Axle trailer went from 38 ton to 41 ton then 44 ton the exceptions where on old lorries that still had springs for suspension and their is still scope to have 5 axles at 44ton

Kay, the weights are Gross so include the weight of the vehicle so at 40 ton you cannot Carrie 40 ton

http://www.worcestershire.gov.uk/cms/pdf/A-Simplified-Guide-to-Lorry-Types-and-Weights.pdf


Roy

Merlin,,,,,,,,,, dont tell me about HGV &ADR ;-) :-D :-D :-D

Kay there were three axles on the Unit and Three on the Trailer,all with twin wheels except for the steering a total of 22 wheels in all.plus two spares and a multiple of spares.Any repairs you did yourself unless impossible. As I said this was before the EU.and most times you traveled in convoy.the top road in Turkey was Bandit Country. If you left your truck you lost it. :-D :-D

A 5 axles max weight is 40 tonne,,,,ot can be split to half and half but still carries 40tonne max,

a child in a runaway pushchair can be killed at 10mph,,,it happended on the A212 in and out of Croydon at early morning rush so imagin the road was pretty heavy with all manner of traffic and speed would have been limited,,,,,,,a tragic time for the family on the loss of their precious child,,,,,heartbreaking ,,,,,,,,perhaps CCTV will help the police......and hope the driver is getting some help......

Try a Ford Transcontinentalwith a 16 gear spit shift box,Plus a tri axle unit coupled with a tri axle trailer.Prior to that it was limited to 38 tons gross. When running to Persia (Iran Now) used to transfer extra from a 4 wheeler (On the Docks ) to gross Higher.Ps. the engine was a V12 Twin Turbo. It was a special build by GKN.To ship goods abroad in the days well before the EU.**M**.

I once witnessed a fatal accident when an elderly drunken man was wondering back and forth across a very busy road. He was eventually escorted part of the way back to his home, but shortly after, he appeared again and walked straight in front of a moving car. The driver was not speeding, he braked and swerved to miss the man, but he was knocked to the ground and sadly was pronounced dead at the scene. I had to attend and give evidence at the inquest. The coroner
said that the driver had done everything in his power to avoid hitting the man, and that this was a verdict of accidental death. I knew he man and his family and my heart went out to them, but also saw the devisating effect it had on the driver.

I feel so sorry for this family, but also think that the driver of the van needs some compassion too.

Merlin, All motorways have warnings of crosswinds, My post was a response to Sharrons post saying that quote "But wind comes in sudden gusts,it can blow over high lorries without warning" which is incorrect as i attempted to show in my post, Has anyone said the driver was speeding? Ive not seen it said, speed is not the issue it was only said because people think that if the driver was NOT speeding then he was not at fault, The driver was not arrested for causing death by careless driving, The driver was arrested ON SUSPICION of causing death by careless driving Which is actually normal in most cases when theirs been a fatality


The speed issue comes back to the propaganda default position that government and police like to use speed as the cause of all accidents rather than blame the driver for lack or awareness and or ability

Never heard of a 40ton artic before only 32/38/41and 44ton

Roy

It is not unusual where there is a fatal accident for the police to arrested a driver on suspicion of causing death by careless driving.

I may be wrong, but the driver has only been arrested, not charged. The police will now carry out a full investigation to gather all the evidence to try and establish the cause of the accident and whether anyone committed an offence.

So please do not blame the driver until all the facts are known, once the police have completed their investigations they will decided what action, if any. they are going to take.

My thoughts and sympathy are for the child's family and all others involved in this tragic incident.

I agree that it seems to be just a tragic accident. I feel sorry for all involved

As was said, the Mother let go of the pram to get something from indoors(Just inside) the wind blew it into the road,and the tragic Accident Occoured,No speed of the vehicle was stated except that the Police stated the driver was not speeding..PP. I,ve been up the M62 many times with a 40ton Arctic and at certain points(As you know) they warn you of cross winds,also to get off if it is too high.It seems to me to be a tragic accident,Don,t blame the Driver before you know all the facts because it could be a case of"There but for the grace of God Go I"My sympathy for the family and the driver.**M**.