General Chat

Island's last post should be expanded on, but her basic advice is correct.
Buy thru the GRO - you will have to register as a 1st time user, but then you can order - say you have the reference details (as per KempinaThermalhat's post) - for a marr, you only have to name one of the couple.

As Island infers, you can get other companies to place the order for you, but that will more than double the cost to you. Do it yourself and it costs 9.25GBP (includes postage).

As I mentioned in my previous post, you can also buy BMD certs from the local rego office. The cost is usually comparable to the GRO, but, after you've added on posatage + miscell extras, a tad more.

Lastly, if it's a church marr, there's the original marr rego. You can buy an m.cert from the vicar if it's in his current rego (but 1932 won't be there). When the rego's full, it will be deposited in some archive, usually the county records office. Some of these have online images (but I don't think Berks does) - they might not make more recent images available (more recent as defined by them), but there are some online collections available - sometimes thru paid sites. Other times, you can go to the archive and get an image printed from their film at a cheapish cost.

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If I'm right, and Frank's illegitimate, then the entry showing his father's name can be problematic - he might lie and invent a name (usually a William or John, never a Francis Xavier - my dad's step-father invented one) - it might be left blank - or it might be accurate - my g gran's was (he was also named in her baptismal parish record). In any event, it's not likely to be too helpful. What is more likely to be helpful is his home addy - you can check against the electoral roll to see what other Bakers lived there then.

PS Certificates have to be purchsed - only buy them from the GRO though (General Register Office) or you might end up 'paying through the nose'

It's worth looking at Freereg for earlier baptisms, marriage and burials as these give more details - not many have been transcribed yet but you might be lucky.

Hi Karina, you asked what you might be doing 'wrong'.
I'm not being critical but I did a search for 'Augustas' and got zilch, but 'Augustus' -

Name
Augustus Charles Hall
Year of Registration 1884
Quarter of Registration Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District Newbury
Registration County Berkshire
Volume Number 2C
Volume Page 245

I don't think GR caters for the odd typo but it's always worth trying a variation wherever you search as mistranscriptions are around too!

Hi, is there a way I can view the marriage certificate online or do I have to order a copy?
Thanks

: Ernest M A Watson
Spouse Surname: Bright
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 134
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

This IS the marriage of esther and frank BUT its been put in wrong when you look at the original its Esther M A Watson married to Frank

Name: Frank Bright
Spouse Surname: Watson
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1932
Registration district: York
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 134
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

The numbers you now need are
9d and 134 and the quater is oct/nov/dec

You now need to get the marriage certificate to find the father of both people

Hi, Can you see if this Frank Bright later married Esther Maragaret Anne Watson in york in 1932, i want to make sure im chasing the right one?
Thanks

Hi lynski,
That looks great, the willoughby's were alices parents, all areas make sense.
Because Alice didnt show on the 1901 cencus does that mean she had left that home at 15/16?
K xx

Hi mgnv, Thanks for your help, does that look to you like the frank bright that was married to esther margaret anne watson in 1932 in york? that was my grandmother so hopefully i have the correct frank bright??

1891 census (wrongly transcribed?)

WILCOMBE, William Head Married M 36 1855 Farm Labourer Kintbury, Berkshire VIEW
WILCOMBE, Emily Wife Married F 34 1857 Boxford, Berkshire VIEW
WILCOMBE, William Son M 8 1883 Scholar Kintbury, Berkshire VIEW
WILCOMBE, Allice Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar Kintbury, Berkshire VIEW

Piece: 971
Folio: 19
Page: 2
Registration District: Hungerford
Civil Parish: Kintbury
Municipal Borough:
Address: High Street, Kintbury
County: Berkshire

Surname on original looks more like WILLOWBE
I have put in a request to change it so will wait and see what happens?

EDIT - FMP have accepted the change in surname.

????????
Births Jun 1883 (>99%)
Willoughby William Daniel Hungerford 2c 255

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Willoughby Alice Martha Hungerford 2c 254

1901 census -

WILLOUGHBY, William Head Married M 44 1857 Labourer General Kintbury, Berkshire VIEW
WILLOUGHBY, Emily Wife Married F 42 1859 Boxford, Berkshire VIEW
WILLOUGHBY, William C Son Single M 18 1883 Baker Kintbury, Berkshire VIEW
WILLOUGHBY, Gertrude Daughter F 8 1893 Scholar Kintbury, Berkshire VIEW

Piece: 1124
Folio: 23
Page: 11
Registration District: Hungerford
Civil Parish: Kintbury
Municipal Borough:
Address: Laurel Cottage, Kintbury, Village
County: Berkshire

This looks like the other child of Augustus and Alice in the 1911 census?? -

WILLOUGHBY, William Head Married28 years M 55 1856 Farm Labourer Kintbury Hungerford Berks VIEW
WILLOUGHBY, Emily Wife F 53 1858 Boxford Murby Berks VIEW
HALL, Vera Emily Granddaughter F 3 1908 Kintby Hungerford Berks VIEW

RG number: RG14
Piece: 6398
Reference: RG14PN6398 RG78PN312 RD115 SD1 ED4 SN32
Registration District: Hungerford
Sub District: Kintbury
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Kintbury West Woodhay
Address: High Street Kintbury
County: Berkshire


Births Mar 1908 (>99%)
Hall Vera Emily Hungerford 2c 263

A search at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl gets:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
BRIGHT Frank Bright Weardale 10a 607

Now when the mum's MS=Maiden Surname matches the child's surname, it's most likely an illegitimate birth.
(Abt 1% of time married parents did wed a spouse with the same surname - usually because they were 1st cousins and their fathers were brothers.)
So the first thing to do is click on the page # link ("607" here) to see if the father's name is in the index too.
However, there's no other Frank's named on p 607.

One can also click on the "Weardale" link then the more info "here" link to see a list of the villages, etc., covered by Weardale RD. One also sees:
WEARDALE REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Sub-districts : St. John, Stanhope, Wolsingham
Registers now held by : County of Durham district.

Stanhope subdistrict covered the civil parishes of Hunstanworth, Edmondbyers, and parts of Stanhope and Stanhope Urban

To determine Frank's mum, I think you're going to have to buy his b.cert.
I would get this via: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Now the GRO's not the only place you can buy BMDs - you can also buy them from the local office that now holds the Weardale regos - in this case the County of Durham rego office.
Why I mention this is that some local offices have their own index online, and these indexes don't have identical info to the GRO index. For what's online, see http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

In particular: http://www.northeastbmd.org.uk/

Now a look up of Frank gets:
Surname: BRIGHT
Forename: Frank
Year: 1911
District: Durham Western
and clicking on the postal application form reveals:
Register No. - Entry No. - District
STAN/25 - 130 - Durham Western (1911)

So now we know Frank's birth was rego'ed in the Stanhope subdistrict.

Now GR has 31 Bright's living in Weardale in 1911 (plus a couple of others born there).
However, even if I were to limit myself to females living in Stanhope subdistrict 3-6 m before Frank's birth, there's still multiple choices for possible mothers of Frank.

Thank you lynski and polly poppet xx
I must go to bed now i have babies that will wake me early! if you have any more info on Frank Bright or you can tell me how you got this fantastic info that would be great, Goodnight and thanks once again xx

your amazing at this!! what am i doing wrong??

1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address Holt Wood, Hamstead Road
Parish Hampstead Marshall
District Newbury, Newbury
Administrative County Berkshire

Householder 1
Name George Hall
Age 53
Estimated Year of Birth 1838
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation 1 22 Army Pensioner
Birth Place Kintbury
Birth County Berkshire

Householder 2
Name Louisa Hall
Age 42
Estimated Year of Birth 1849
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place Ireland
Birth County Guernsey

Householder 3
Name Maud Hall
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1881
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Newbury
Birth County Berkshire

Householder 4
Name Augustus Hall
Age 6
Estimated Year of Birth 1885
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Scholar
Birth Place Hampstead Marshall
Birth County Berkshire

Householder 5
Name Sidney Hall
Age 1
Estimated Year of Birth 1890
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place Hampstead Marshall
Birth County Berkshire

1901 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address Village
Civil Parish Hamstead Marshall
Rural District Newbury
Town or Village or Hamlet Hamstead Marshall
Ecclesiastical Parish St Mary
Parliamentary Borough or Division Southern Or Newbury Division
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District
Administrative County Berkshire

Householder 1
Name Augustus Hall
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 16
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labour
Employment Status
Where Born Berks Hamstead M
Language
Infirmity

Householder 2
Name George Hall
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 63
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation General Labour
Employment Status
Where Born Berks Hamstead M
Language
Infirmity

Householder 3
Name Louisa Hall
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 54
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Guernsey Channel Islands
Language
Infirmity

Householder 4
Name Sidney Hall
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage Single
Age Last Birthday 12
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born Berks Hamstead M
Language
Infirmity

Hi lynski,
Yes that is their marriage june 1907, and yes thats them in 1911, gosh your good at this!! how do i go about finding their parents?
as for Frank Bright thats the one i found and his marriage to Esther watson makes sense because of the area they were living in when they married, i need to find his and her parents, would that be on an earlier census?

de_Jiminy_Le_Cricket Report 19 Sep 2012 22:14
Hi Gins, at £49.95 its was a tad cheaper than Ancestry.


Limited,....and restricted

?????????

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
BRIGHT Frank Bright Weardale 10a 607

Name: HALL, Augustus Charles
Registration district: Hungerford
County: Berkshire
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 560

Name: WILLOUGHBY, Alice Martha
Registration district: Hungerford
County: Berkshire
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Volume no: 2C
Page no: 560

Is this them in 1911??

HALL, Augustus Head Married3 years M 26 1885 Gardener Labourer Berks Newbury VIEW
HALL, Alice Wife Married F 24 1887 Berks Kintbury VIEW
HALL, Reginald Son M 1 1910 Berks Kintbury VIEW

RG number: RG14
Piece: 6398
Reference: RG14PN6398 RG78PN312 RD115 SD1 ED4 SN33
Registration District: Hungerford
Sub District: Kintbury
Enumeration District: 4
Parish: Kintbury West Woodhay
Address: High Street Kintbury
County: Berkshire

Original states 2 children born, both living

Births Mar 1910 (>99%)
HALL Reginald George Hungerford 2c 257

I wonder who the other child is??