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I agree in this case not an accident but I have great sympathy for the women and why this incident occurred. She was cooking dinner, she was trying to help her daughter and yes some may call her stupid but these situations which leave us or members of our family in difficulty can lead to such actions.

Its a pity she just didn't let her daughter use her car but that may not have been an option.

My deepest sympathy to the lady in question and her family regardless of the circumstances.

Vera

Well "Thank you," Janet!

....much better Barry..

..... perhaps saying 'accident' is a better (polite) way of saying - and really meaning - 'stupid(ity)'

In the three examples given each one has a primary thought. The petrol was being decanted so probably more concerned with spillage.The stolen copper the primary thought would be financial gain. Driving through a closing level crossing the primary thought would be not being held up.The first example normally wouldn't have been done by a man.The second example normally wouldn't have been done by a woman. The third could have been done by either.All can be described as stupid but when the worst happens it is called an accident.

Actually..... accidents don't 'happen' .... they are CAUSED - by stupidity!

Ya can't get away from that, try as you might.

Of course it wasnt an accident. If your child was standing next to her when she did it would anyone be saying 'aww, bless, it was just an accident'. I somehow don't think so.

It was accidental in the same way that it would be an accident if someone jumped off a roof to see how high they would bounce. It's as accidental as someone stealing copper from a sub station and getting fried. Or driving through a closed level crossing.

Im afraid there is no other description than stupid. Mega, capital letters bold underlined stupid. And the gas anaology is a bad one, lol. That *could* be accidental if the person had no sense of smell. Gas having a strong smell - anyone who puts an electric light on when there is a strong smell of gas would - yes - be stupid!

Yes, we have all done stupid things. Most of the time we get away with it, but if we don't, then that doesn't make it NOT stupid. It's still stupid, whether its a case of there but for the grace of god.. I'm sure everyone, me included, hopes she has a full and speedy recovery, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid thing to do!

I have to disagree, this was an accident. It is no different than someone going into a darkened room where gas has been leaking then switching the electric light on. How many people would know that it mustn't be done...and more importantly why it mustn't be done?
If you know something is dangerous and then go ahead that is stupidity. All brains are wired differently. Because the majority of people would know not to mix vapour and a naked flamed it doesn't make this woman stupid because she didn't know. What a price she will have to pay.-jl

Stupidity connot be cured it is unlike verginity

''No amount of laws or regulations or advice can overcome stupidity."

Spot on, Eldrick! Stupidity rules supreme for sure!!

So many people - particularly in recent years - do not think they should be responsible and accountable for their actions. It's always someone else's fault - usually government - who should take the rap.

MPs are - well, MPs - and they should be listened to with great caution. Why, even those who run the country and our lives have be known to hiccup, perish the thought!

When I joined the military at 15 we young lads had ingrained over and over into our little heads "Use your initiative!" Over many years I have added to that and suggest ...

''Use your initiative, good judgement, and COMMON SENSE!"

Sadly, so many people haven't received the text about common sense on their cell phone, so don't expect sensible things to occur overnight. They won't!

I do hope this silly woman - because she IS a very silly woman (stupid, really) - recovers; but she will literally and figuratively be scarred for life. It was most fortunate the fire didn't get bigger and out of hand and endanger other lives and cause damage to more property!

My dear old dad told me ....

''Fire is a good friend ..... but a very bad master!"

HOW TRUE!

PigletsPal, I don't think any one is actually condemning this woman but are merely commenting on how stupid the act that led to her injuries was,

As for Frances Maude being irresponsible for his suggestion of filling jerrycans, Well he is a politician so what do you expect

If the unions had not have tried to use the threat of strike action then Frances Maude would not have needed to make any statement on the subject so who is to blame?

most accidents are as a result of not just one single act/event but a series of events that lead up to the accident so who was responsible? ( if any one )

People need to stop this blame culture we have in our country and take responsibility for there own actions

Roy

Absolutely agree Eldrick x

You can hardly call playing with petrol next to a naked flame an accident!

People need to take control of their lives and actions and accept that doing stupid things can have dire results, with the blame fairly on their own shoulders. No amount of laws or regulations or advice can overcome stupidity.

I don't know the rules on those garages but I do know when a neighbour had a garage created in the cellar of his property that the fire regulation were very stringent and that was back in the 1970's. Garages,after all are designed to keep a car containing petrol. Whether a person chooses to live with a garage underneath is down to personal choice.
Lets hope this dreadful accident is a wake up call for everyone to be careful when dealing with fuel. After all people in the past, usually men, have thrown petrol on bonfires to get them going and have had close shaves or even worse. -jl

What about masonette type terraces with garages underneath?


did you read about the old dear, filling up paint cans that have plastic lids?
says her husband has been doing it for years?and another filling jam jars..


( allegedly)

Bob


the mind boggles

Listening to the clip again on the tv, the MP made more of a throwaway remark about keeping a bit of petrol in a jerry can in the garage. If the remark had been in general conversation in the pub no-one would have battered an eyelid. Unfortunately for him he has become a scapegoat for everything that has goes wrong.....and boy do the public love a scapegoat.

Many people keep petrol in cans for what has already been mentioned, lawnmowers, strimmers, chain saws and many other pieces of gardenening equipment. Storing petrol in the garage, within reason, is safe. Usually it is the vapour which is the possible lethal cocktail, as this poor woman who didn't know that vapour+ flame equals disaster.

My heart goes out to this woman. To not understand this basic concept is the sad part as there is nothing that could have prevented this dreadful accident. She is in Pinderfield so she is in the best place available in the North.I hope she makes a good recovery but I fear it will be a long road.-jl

I have an integral garage ...and there is NO WAY i'd put either a car OR a jerry can full of petrol in it...I'm not the brightest sandwich in the picnic box...but even I know you put that sort of thing outside in a shed or an outhouse..NEVER inside...and i knew that when i was a child x

I don't think it was the brightest thing for the MP to suggest, but not his fault the woman didn't use/have any common sense. You can never cater for all the daft things people might do.

Buying petrol to be stored in the garage in a jerry can has happened for years with most people who have a petrol lawnmower. No-one makes a fuss about that. As for integral garages, a petrol engined car isn't the greatest thing to have in them either if there is a fire!

Think of all the jerrycans stored in garages which are integral to the house. Some neighbours must be worried.

Think woman involved in pouring petrol into a container in kitchen must be brain dead!

keep up Roy, he had to move them out to get the jaffa cakes in.


See this is what you get when you mix threads :-P :-D