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Vera you said you had found a birth cert for your dad's sister? was the mmn right on it...only asking as I can't see that either.

thank you, eliza harriet thompson died on 24th november1929 of breasi cancer, on enochs death cert, it says eliza as wife, Enoch died 8th aug 1920 he fell from a ships ladder , broke his pevis and died 4 days later .

I'd say this is Martha May (Peters) Thompson's death (she was born 1880)

Deaths Mar 1952
THOMPSON Martha M 72 Liverpool N. 10d 294

So it's unlikely Eliza and Enoch ever married.

Does your dad's sister's birth record have Phipps as her mother's surname, and she's registered as Thompson?

Don't give up on us yet!

I can't find Harriet Eliza Phipps being born, or any Harriet Eliza marrying a Phipps.

How about when she died, do you have a date and place?

--- oops, I've been saying Harriet Eliza, but I've been meaning Eliza Harriet. ;)

thanks all, i know nothing about eliza phipps, ive seen a photo of her though , she looks quite grand really, its a pity genealogy wasn,t around while my dad was still alive, could of got the answers then, ive enjoyed this chat

ok no probably not that one as there is a marriage for Victor H ,Prescot 1938

This is the only victor on freebmd for the right quarter

Births Sep 1912 (>99%)


FLEMING Victor H Sloan Liverpool 8b 6

and I can't find a corresponding marriage? just a thought.....

Hmmmm


What do you know about Harriet Eliza??


It isn't uncommon for people (or their families) to know their birthday but get the year wrong. My grandfather had his year of birth wrong until he retired and got his birth certificate.

This one matches a July birth.

Births Sep 1914
Phipps Victor C Coleman Southwark 1d 154

There isn't a marriage to match for Phipps-Coleman -- one in Rye in 1908 with births in Rye 1912, 1913, 1915, 1919 ... could be ...

Don't see a death for that one , or a good match for a marriage. The Victor Charles Phipps who died in WWII, I can't find his parents' marriage (Ernest and Mary Maud of Clapham) ... but his age at death, 29 in May 1944, fits that 1914 birth ... so that's probably him ruled out.


Tell us about Harriet Eliza Phipps!

as of 1911 census enoch was still married to a martha peters but separarted,

Here! Here! Vera....

Welll, I suspect the first problem was that Enoch was already married. ;-)

Births Sep 1876
Thompson Enoch Griffiths Birkenhead 8a 465

Marriages Mar 1899
CROSSLAND Annie W. Derby 8b 457
Peters Martha May W.Derby 8b 457
Thomas James Edward W. Derby 8b 457
Thompson Enoch Griffiths W. Derby 8b 457


1911

THOMPSON ENOCH GRIFFITS 1875 36 West Derby Lancashire
living with
Joseph Thompson 1848


Eliza Harriet Phipps, on the other hand, doesn't seem to have existed!


Here's me doing genealogy on the Chat board. ;-)

it sound easy to me but im sure so complicated trying to write it down, if it doesn,t make sence then scrap it anyway. my mum and dad were married for 33yrs, and i was the youngest of 8, i was told that my dads parents had died before my dad was 17 yo and my dad had the deeds for there burial plot. names on deeds enoch griffiths thompson and eliza harriet thompson nee phipps, ive trace enochs family back to 1816, theres no marraige record for them but ive found a birth cert. for my dads( sister) but ive never found a birth cert for my dad. anyone wont ago, so here goes, his name was victor thompson he was born 1st july 1912 i dont know where though, but he lived and died in liverpool.

I searched high and low in the 1841 census for my Wiltshire greatx3 grandfather (born c1792 and died 1869) -- for a long time. Like, years. Corrected a lot of records at Ancestry with the same surname mistranscribed, in the meantime, but found nothing on him.

Finally I put a post on TTF one day about 2 years ago, actually looking for his help finding his wife in censuses (he was in the workhouse, "married", in 1851). Had never been able to find a record of his child's baptism c1820, to get even her first name.

Lo and behold, somebody pointed me to an 1839 marriage for my grx3 grf's name .... in .... Scotland. Definitely him. Middle name stated was his mother's surname, no possibility of anyone else with those names. And I found that the wife died between the 1851 adn 1861 censuses.

So then I moved away from my 1841 English census tab ... and searched in Scotland ... and there he was, plain as day. Those fresh eyes do sometimes manage to look over the wall!

Vera, have you got a thread about this on Find Ancestors? I can understand if you don't want to put up info about your dad, a bit sensitive maybe, but you never know, we might come up with something if you do!

ive been trying to trace my dad birth cert, for the last 8 or so yrs. come to the conclusion he was illigitamate, or his dad died and was given the name of my "g/dad or he was adopted, so ive given up. i always come to a brick wall, had high hopes on the 1911 census, found my " g/dad " but nothing else, my dad was born in 1912, have to wait till the 2021 census, might find answeres then .

Tell me about it!!
Spent two and a half hours this afternoon on one family.
The parents and their four children and got absolutely nowhere.

I even shouted at my lappy once or twice............."Where the ell are you!!"

:-S

There's a long thread around here someplace called "rules for ancestors", very funny.

I'll see whether I can find it -- anybody got the link handy?

It would be boring and we would have our trees done too quick.

Marion

Why cant our ancesters be in the right place at the right time. would make life a lot easier.