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Found! Ancient Rules for Ancestors!

And they were SO good at following them!

(1) Thou shalt name your male children: James, John, Joseph, Josiah, Abel, Richard, Thomas, William.

(2) Thou shalt name your female children: Elizabeth, Mary, Martha, Maria, Sarah, Ida, Virginia, May.

(3) Thou shalt leave NO trace of your female children.

(4) Thou shalt, after naming your children from the above lists, call them by strange nicknames such as: Ike, Eli, Polly, Dolly, Sukey.---making them difficult to trace.

(5) Thou shalt NOT use any middle names on any legal documents or census reports, and only where necessary, you may use only initials on legal documents.

(6) Thou shalt learn to sign all documents illegibly so that your surname can be spelled, or misspelled, in various ways: Hicks, Hix, Hixe, Hucks, Kicks or Robinson, Robertson, Robison, Roberson, Robuson, Robson, Dobson.

(7) Thou shalt, after no more then 3 generations, make sure that all family records are lost, misplaced, burned in a court house fire, or buried so that NO future trace of them can be found.

(8) Thou shalt propagate misleading legends, rumors, and vague innuendo regarding your place of origin:

(A) you may have come from : England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales.... or Iran.

(B) you may have American Indian ancestry of the______tribe......

(C) You may have descended from one of three brothers that came over from______

(9) Thou shalt leave NO cemetery records, or headstones with legible names.

(10) Thou shalt leave NO family Bible with records of birth, marriages, or deaths.

(11) Thou shalt ALWAYS flip thy name around. If born James Albert, thou must make all the rest of thy records in the names of Albert, AJ, JA, AL, Bert, Bart, or Alfred.

(12) Thou must also flip thy parent's names when making reference to them, although "Unknown" or a blank line is an acceptable alternative.

(13) Thou shalt name at least 5 generations of males and dozens of their cousins with identical names in order to totally confuse researchers.

(14) If thou wife shall die before you, thou may only be wed again to a woman with the same given name.

(15) Thou shalt emigrate for such period as (if not permanent) shall include at least one UK census.

(16) Thou shalt leave thy wife behind and , notwithstanding this, shalt take to thyself another wife whilst living abroad.

(16) If thou failest to leave thy wife behind, and take her with you, thou shalt not return until she is dead and buried in some foreign land.

Well done, tempest. :-D


Stupid font here, couldn't tell whether auntie's name was MARNIE or MAMIE. It's MAMIE.

Births Sep 1916
Thompson Mamie F Phillips W.Derby 8b 705

How do you know the name was Phipps?

these rules were used all through the ages, give them all a star

my mam told me and also my cousin called her granma phipps even though see didnt know her

Births Sep 1912
Phillips Victor Carr W.Derby 8b 569


There are no other Phillips-Carr births in West Derby.

There's no Mr Phillips + Ms Carr marriage anywhere in the vicinity.


Might be worth looking at?

Deaths Dec 1929
Thompson Eliza H 53 W.Derby 8b 508

so born in 1876 (or late 1875) -- that's what I was after.

i,ll keep on with all avenues might find something somewhere

ah now did you not know? Phipps IS Phillips? It is the same kind of thing as pronouncing 'Ralph' as 'Rafe' :)

1891 census - household transcription
Person: PHILLIPS, Harriet
Address: 1, Willmott Street, Everton, Liverpool

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation
Disability Where Born

PHILLIPS, Edith Head Widow F 25 1866 Sewing Machinist Liverpool Lancashire
PHILLIPS, Harriet Daughter F 5 1886 Scholar Liverpool Lancashire
PHILLIPS, William Son M 3 1888 Scholar Liverpool Lancashire
PHILLIPS, John Son M 1 1890 Liverpool Lancashire
GRIFFITHS, Rosina Visitor Single F 11 1880 Sewing Machinist Liverpool Lancashire

So is that a vote for Victor Phillips 1912? ;-)

If only there were an Eliza Harriet Carr to go with ...

1901 census

Address: 28, Aubrey Street, Everton

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

MCMASTER, James Head Married M 63 1838 Retired Clerk(Commercial) Ormskirk Lancashire
MCMASTER, Annie M Wife Married F 58 1843 Gresford Denbighshire
MCMASTER, Rozetha H Daughter Single F 34 1867 Restaurant Waitress Liverpool Lancashire
MCMASTER, Gertrude A E Daughter Single F 30 1871 Dressmaker Liverpool Lancashire
MCMASTER, Ernestine M M Daughter Single F 27 1874 Mantle Maker Liverpool Lancashire
MCMASTER, Florence A I Daughter Single F 26 1875 Dressmaker Liverpool Lancashire
PHILLIPS, Harriet R E M Great Neice Single F 15 1886 Tailoress Liverpool Lancashire
MADDOCKS, Arthur Adopted Single M 13 1888 Office Boy Liverpool Lancashire
MADDOCKS, Ernest B Adopted M 11 1890 School Boy Liverpool Lancashire
LAYTON, Thomas Boarder Single M 40 1861 Stone Mason Peterboro Olne Northamptonshire
PERRIN, John T Boarder Single M 27 1874 Police Constable Weaverham Cheshire
GETTY, John Boarder Single M 29 1872 Police Constable Ireland
ETESON, George H Boarder Married M 38 1863 Stationer East Morton Yorkshire
HESSIAN, Joseph M Boarder Single M 22 1879 Shop Assistant Furniture Salesman Ireland

BMD Search result details

Civil Registration event: Birth
Name: PHILLIPS, Harriet Rosina E M
Registration District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Volume No: 8B
Page No: 316

A wee bit young for the job, maybe.

Births Mar 1886
PHILLIPS Harriet Rosina E M W Derby 8b 316

Our Eliza Harriet seems to have been 10 years older, from the death record.

my word so much info where do i start

takeing the age at death, eliza was born in 1875/6

Yup, that's what I was saying earlier.

Eliza Harriet births registered Q3 1875 to Q1 1877 don't show any recognizable surnames ...

oops! sorry back to the search then

ive send message to people with elizabeth carr from l/pool in there trees, i have thought it could of been phillips but had no luck with searches